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Fractured or broken ribs can also mean injured nerves. Major nerves and blood vessels run along the ribs. Injured nerves can cause major lifelong pain when they don't heal properly. I wouldn't assume her life will be normal after this.
Other posters have "assumed" that she'd be in a wheelchair the rest of her life.
As for the parking location, an order to pull over implies proceeding to where it can be done safely and without impeding traffic. US-85 is four-lane divided, but the shoulders not to Interstate standards. CR-36 is a narrow unpaved road with virtually no shoulder, and stopping would block a traffic lane. The feasible place for a stop would be at an intersection, which occurs every mile on section lines. In her place, my aim would have been at such a pulloff. When the train arrived, there were three cars, occupying limited parking spaces. It is not her fault that the police had limited wiggle-room.
Now the gun. There's not much "illegal possession" in Colorado, where they are legally common. Let's say if she has one. its legal. Brandishing a weapon is a misdemeanor -- it means displaying in a threatening manner -- and if she was waving out the car window, maybe even firing a shot in the air, they just got her on that misdemeanor, (which is not equal to assault with a deadly weapon) plus the traffic offense of reckless driving.
She's 19, probably a bit of a hell-raiser. Gets PO-ed in traffic. fires a shot in the air for the hell of it, a a traffic offense, a misdemeanor, lies to a cop. They call out a Swat team with backup, for this menace to society? While half of all violent felonies go unpunished? Don't they have any "bad guys" to go after? "Show-case" arreats like this are so much easier and less complicated. Send the message of "tough on crime"
As for the parking location, an order to pull over implies proceeding to where it can be done safely and without impeding traffic. US-85 is four-lane divided, but the shoulders not to Interstate standards. CR-36 is a narrow unpaved road with virtually no shoulder, and stopping would block a traffic lane. The feasible place for a stop would be at an intersection, which occurs every mile on section lines. In her place, my aim would have been at such a pulloff. When the train arrived, there were three cars, occupying limited parking spaces. It is not her fault that the police had limited wiggle-room.
Totally agree, we can see from the google street view that pulling off on a side road is the smart play for everyone.
There was no limit on parking, that dirt road goes for a looooong way but it's dark and there are no crossing lights and people are upset (both her and cops) so mistakes were made all-around.
I view the mistake of being placed in a car that was on the tracks as a completely different issue from whatever crime may or may not have occurred.
She was in police custody, they didn't meet proper standards of care so she will collect in a lawsuit. 100% on that. How much will depend upon details I don't know as to extent of injuries and so forth and then state laws...all well out of my wheel house.
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Other posters have "assumed" that she'd be in a wheelchair the rest of her life.
As for the parking location, an order to pull over implies proceeding to where it can be done safely and without impeding traffic. US-85 is four-lane divided, but the shoulders not to Interstate standards. CR-36 is a narrow unpaved road with virtually no shoulder, and stopping would block a traffic lane. The feasible place for a stop would be at an intersection, which occurs every mile on section lines. In her place, my aim would have been at such a pulloff. When the train arrived, there were three cars, occupying limited parking spaces. It is not her fault that the police had limited wiggle-room.
It's unknown at this time how far she'd driven before she'd pulled over. The one cop who'd initially stopped her had mentioned a number of times that it took a long time for her to stop. She may have had plenty of opportunities to find a wide spot to pull over. Also, there are turn lanes where US-85 and CR-36 meet which gives plenty of room to pull over.
Whose fault is it that she'd led the cop on a low-speed chase and then finally stopped immediately after crossing the tracks, causing the cop to stop on the tracks? The cop had reason to believe that she was armed and would possibly use it, which is probably what the cop was fixated on.
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Now the gun. There's not much "illegal possession" in Colorado, where they are legally common. Let's say if she has one. its legal. Brandishing a weapon is a misdemeanor -- it means displaying in a threatening manner -- and if she was waving out the car window, maybe even firing a shot in the air, they just got her on that misdemeanor, (which is not equal to assault with a deadly weapon) plus the traffic offense of reckless driving.
You mean, it's a class 5 felony.
2016 Colorado Revised Statutes
Title 18 - Criminal Code
Article 3 - Offenses Against the Person
Part 2 - Assaults
§ 18-3-206. Menacing
Universal Citation: CO Rev Stat § 18-3-206 (2016)
(1) A person commits the crime of menacing if, by any threat or physical action, he or she knowingly places or attempts to place another person in fear of imminent serious bodily injury. Menacing is a class 3 misdemeanor, but, it is a class 5 felony if committed:
(a) By the use of a deadly weapon or any article used or fashioned in a manner to cause a person to reasonably believe that the article is a deadly weapon; or
(b) By the person representing verbally or otherwise that he or she is armed with a deadly weapon.
She's 20. But anyway, being a young adult "hell-raiser" makes it okay to road rage and threaten someone with a gun?
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Gets PO-ed in traffic. fires a shot in the air for the hell of it, a a traffic offense, a misdemeanor, lies to a cop. They call out a Swat team with backup, for this menace to society? While half of all violent felonies go unpunished? Don't they have any "bad guys" to go after? "Show-case" arreats like this are so much easier and less complicated. Send the message of "tough on crime"
Should we do away with laws? Just stop creating them and stop enforcing them?
Where was this "Swat team" of yours? Several cops hardly makes a Swat team.
In 2018, Colorado was ranked as the second most deadliest state for road rage.
In 2020, Colorado is ranked as the third most deadliest state for road rage.
Seems going after road ragers is working.
The only evedence of Road rage is a term used by a civilian to describe behavior in a 911 cal. Even a simple citation for Reckless driving would require testimony in traffic court by that witness. Up to he point of the first stop, we have a probably exaggerated citizens report, which in itself may not contain even enough for probable cause to detain. Cop #1 sounded pretty shaky.
As long as we have 2A, which I ruefully admit we do. it's nobody's business if she has a gun, absent probable cause for police to believe they are in danger.
So a citizen is driving a car reported by a do-gooder, and suddenly finds herself walking backwards in the dark in rattlesnake country, with cops in fear for their lives, with only one goal -- find probable cause.. Where did this turn bad?
Who are you afraid of, who has the unambiguous and unchallenged power to destroy your life? Yareni Rios, or the police?
Other posters have "assumed" that she'd be in a wheelchair the rest of her life.
Who assumed that?
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The only evedence of Road rage is a term used by a civilian to describe behavior in a 911 cal. Even a simple citation for Reckless driving would require testimony in traffic court by that witness. Up to he point of the first stop, we have a probably exaggerated citizens report, which in itself may not contain even enough for probable cause to detain. Cop #1 sounded pretty shaky.
As long as we have 2A, which I ruefully admit we do. it's nobody's business if she has a gun, absent probable cause for police to believe they are in danger.
So a citizen is driving a car reported by a do-gooder, and suddenly finds herself walking backwards in the dark in rattlesnake country, with cops in fear for their lives, with only one goal -- find probable cause.. Where did this turn bad?
Who are you afraid of, who has the unambiguous and unchallenged power to destroy your life? Yareni Rios, or the police?
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Totally agree, we can see from the google street view that pulling off on a side road is the smart play for everyone.
There was no limit on parking, that dirt road goes for a looooong way but it's dark and there are no crossing lights and people are upset (both her and cops) so mistakes were made all-around.
I view the mistake of being placed in a car that was on the tracks as a completely different issue from whatever crime may or may not have occurred.
She was in police custody, they didn't meet proper standards of care so she will collect in a lawsuit. 100% on that. How much will depend upon details I don't know as to extent of injuries and so forth and then state laws...all well out of my wheel house.
Yes, they are completely different issues. Seems there are three completely different issues at this time.
1. Her alleged road rage with a weapon.
2. The cops, parking on the tracks and placing her into the vehicle.
3. Her suit against them for placing her into the vehicle.
#3 is probably a given that she will sue and win. I cannot see how she couldn't win, but nothing is absolute. As for the other two issues, who knows how it will play out.
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Fort Lupton police say the case they were pursuing against Rios-Gonzalez has been referred to the Weld County District Attorney.
Krista Henery with the Weld County District Attorney’s Office told CNN on Saturday that “everything is still being investigated and no charges have been filed for the suspect/victim or any officers.â€
An open letter from the Fort Lupton Police Department:
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Re: 22FP08996 Menacing and Train Crash
Date: September 20th, 2022
On September 16th, 2022 at about 1940 hours Fort Lupton Officers were dispatched to a reported menacing with a handgun that occurred on Hwy 85 somewhere in the Fort Lupton area. A Platteville Police Officer was able to locate and stop the suspect vehicle in the area of Highway 85 and Weld County Road 36. Fort Lupton Police Officers responded to assist with the high-risk vehicle stop and the female suspect was detained. Officers cleared the suspect vehicle to determine if anyone else was in the vehicle. Within a matter of seconds, the Platteville’s police vehicle, which contained the female detainee, was struck by a northbound train. Fort Lupton Officers immediately summoned medical assistance and began life sustaining measures.
By agreement and protocol, the Fort Lupton Police Command Staff requested the incident be investigated by CBI. This request is standard in any incident where an in-custody person suffers serious injury. The Fort Lupton Police Department is fully cooperating with the CBI investigation.
It was later determined that the incident occurred within the jurisdiction of the Fort Lupton Police Department. Accordingly, FLPD is investigating the original criminal report and have applied for an arrest warrant through the Weld County District Attorney’s Office. All police reports related to this incident are part of an active criminal investigation. Any request for police reports will need to be requested through the District Attorney’s Office.
In keeping with our policy of transparency, the Fort Lupton Police Department is preparing body worn and vehicle dash camera footage for release. This process may take several days due to the quantity of video footage captured in this incident.
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The only evedence of Road rage is a term used by a civilian to describe behavior in a 911 cal. Even a simple citation for Reckless driving would require testimony in traffic court by that witness. Up to he point of the first stop, we have a probably exaggerated citizens report, which in itself may not contain even enough for probable cause to detain. Cop #1 sounded pretty shaky.
What makes the 911 call exaggerated?
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As long as we have 2A, which I ruefully admit we do. it's nobody's business if she has a gun, absent probable cause for police to believe they are in danger.
IF the gun was used to threaten another then it becomes other people's business.
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So a citizen is driving a car reported by a do-gooder, and suddenly finds herself walking backwards in the dark in rattlesnake country, with cops in fear for their lives, with only one goal -- find probable cause.. Where did this turn bad?
Who are you afraid of, who has the unambiguous and unchallenged power to destroy your life? Yareni Rios, or the police?
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Based on my observation of a lifetime of human nature, "complaints", when tendered, have a strong tendency to be exaggerated.
Stop deflecting, what makes this particular 911 call "probably exaggerated"?
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iF the gun was used, is a supposition
Asking if I want laws ignored is a classic example of an "exaggerated complaint"
More deflection. I asked a question and you're refusing to answer it. You have been saying that they're going after her for, as you say, a misdemeanor instead of going after criminals who commit felonies (all while ignoring that waving a gun during a road rage is a felony). Which means you want some crimes to be ignored.
Stop deflecting, what makes this particular 911 call "probably exaggerated"?
More deflection. I asked a question and you're refusing to answer it. You have been saying that they're going after her for, as you say, a misdemeanor instead of going after criminals who commit felonies (all while ignoring that waving a gun during a road rage is a felony). Which means you want some crimes to be ignored.
Go through the topics in this forum. How many "complaints" come from people who are not exaggerating the seriousness of their complaint, to get disproportionate attention?
Your question was just abysmally, I dunno, like "Do you want rain to stop? There are times when strictly enforcing the letter of the law does not have a good bottom line. Can't you? think of any?
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