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Originally Posted by ChrisC View Post
"Those who want to control every aspect of the lives of others; and those who do not. Progressives/liberals tend to be the former; conservatives/libertarians tend to be the latter. There are exceptions, but not many."
There are basically only two political philosophies:
Our rights to life, liberty and property are inherent and inalienable
or
Our rights to life, liberty and property can be given to us and taken away by other people.
So you're talking about freedom versus totalitarianism? Libertarianism versus dictatorship?
Americanism = self-government; respecting each other's rights to life, liberty and property.
Extreme globalism would mean the elitist technocrats had completely taken power. They would control world finances and military resources. So there would be no way to oppose them or to escape (unless you find a way to get to and live on Mars).
Nationalism is needed to balance globalist tendencies. That means the world will never agree on everything, and there will always be wars. But that's better than a one world totalitarian government.
The globalists are making headway thanks to the pandemic, and climate fears. Many progressives will agree that world governance is needed to control future pandemics, and to control use of fossil fuels.
Freedom lovers should admit that each of us doing whatever we please is going to have a bad outcome for the environment. But we also can't hand over control to the globalists.
Yet they never provide proof of the actual racism. Many of the racist actions turn out to be hoaxes. Right Jussie?
Did you ever think you would see the day where being loyal to your country of birth would be viewed as an evil action?
I have not seen evidence that MAGAs are generally racist. Maybe some of the extreme fringe, but not most. Evidence for supposed racism includes being against illegal immigration, just because most illegal immigrants are likely to be non-whites from the southern border.
The only other evidence I have heard is that Trump's father discriminated against blacks in renting apartments. Whatever his father did doesn't make Trump a racist, for one thing. And it was probably a common practice back then.
Trump has said repeatedly that he condemns white supremacy. Yet his haters insist on calling him a white supremacist no matter what he says.
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Originally Posted by Monello
They certainly don't act highly educated. They often use emotional solutions to solve problems that require logic.
Being educated is not the same thing as being intelligent or rational or objective. Now days education involves a lot of tribal indoctrination.
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Originally Posted by Good4Nothin
The MAGAs, of course, are the populists/nationalists. They are accused of racism and white supremacy, but actually a lot of them voted for Obama. And a lot would have voted for Sanders.
"a lot" is a broad term, Obama Trump voters at the high end are near 16% of Trumps voters. thats 5.8 million voters.
That number is a little hard to believe, because if we read those studies and use their numbers then the numbers play out like this
65 Million 2012 Obama voters
- 5.8 million Trump voters
- 4.5 million Stayed at home in 2016
-1.9 voted 3rd party
You are talking about Clinton's base line at 52 million meaning she brought in more new voters than Trump did.
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The globalists/technocrats have most of the financial and political power, and control social media, higher education, most mainstream news. But the populists/nationalists are numerous.
can someone actually define either of these terms ?
Extreme globalism would mean the elitist technocrats had completely taken power. They would control world finances and military resources. So there would be no way to oppose them or to escape (unless you find a way to get to and live on Mars).
Nationalism is needed to balance globalist tendencies. That means the world will never agree on everything, and there will always be wars. But that's better than a one world totalitarian government.
The globalists are making headway thanks to the pandemic, and climate fears. Many progressives will agree that world governance is needed to control future pandemics, and to control use of fossil fuels.
Freedom lovers should admit that each of us doing whatever we please is going to have a bad outcome for the environment. But we also can't hand over control to the globalists.
It seems like a dilemma to me.
Freedom means people have a right to do what ever they want, as long as they don't violate someone else's rights.
Government control comes in varying degrees, even extreme government control.
There is no such thing as extreme freedom. If "freedom" violates someone's rights it's not freedom, it's oppression.
Conserving is defined as protecting something from harm or change while counter-culture is about challenging the status quo and pushing back against social norms: both quite the opposite of conservation.
It's akin to conservatives sporting the blue line cops lives matter bumper sticker right next to the skull and don't tread on me ones completely missing their own hypocrisy.
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