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I really don't get why some people think absolutely everything is a conspiracy.
I don't mean one-offs. Most people believe at least one conspiracy, a little. I mean people who think everything the "other side" does is a conspiracy.
Historically well-balanced, these days it seems to be a right wing phenomenon at least in the US.
They think the 2020 election was stolen despite every accusation that actually would have made a difference in the outcome being debunked, or just too ridiculous to even consider to begin with.
They think climate change (caused by human activity increasing CO2) is a hoax, despite no real disagreement in the scientific community.
They think EVs are some left-wing attempt at controlling the populace and lining the pockets of "green industry" (which is hilarious if you know ONE THING about the oil industry).
COVID is either not a big deal, to somehow the vaccines kill more people than COVID did.
Most of these and other conspiracies have SOMETHING accurate buried in them, which is then grossly misunderstood and/or blown out of proportion. I'll also acknowledge that sometimes the left (or just experts in the field) can be a bit uppity and often cause people to dig deeper, simply by not approaching the issue correctly. What gets me though, is if you think about just how much collusion would have to happen, how many people would have to be paid or threatened into silence, to make any of these true, it's mind boggling. These people have obviously never tried to get 10 people to agree to do something, let alone millions.
I realize conspiracy theories exist on the political left, too, (often involving military, war, corporations, or GMOs), but they don't dominate like the ones on the right do these days.
If you're wondering, I'm not a liberal. I'm a centrist who leans a bit right, but is no longer a "conservative" considering how crazy the American conservative movement has become.
Final thought. On the subject of climate change. There is a conspiracy going on, but you have to pick which one of these is more likely:
1. Governments and shadow powers worldwide have paid off/threatened 95%+ of scientists to claim that increased CO2 from human activity is warming the planet, in an effort to achieve the "real" goal of worldwide socialism and tyranny. Somehow, the varying goals of different countries' governments has not gotten in the way of keeping this conspiracy alive.
2. Several oil companies have, through both their own efforts and via lobbying politicians, have spent millions (billions?) of dollars over the last 50 years convincing a large percentage of the population that #1 is happening. The vast majority (but not all) of this has been done in one country (the US) and to one political party in that country (the Republicans).
Which of those two is more likely to happen?
why must you assume that every conclusion that goes against DNC or Biden narrative is a conspiracy theory?
There were irregularities in the last election, but there is no way to inspect the evidence or to verify way too many electors. Those are facts and it is not conspiracy to ask why.
I have been told since the early/mid 90s that years ago, downtown manhatten would be the deep end of the pool. I have been told the planet has long ended, or in recent times, the end is now less than 8 years away. It is not conspiracy to still pay my taxes and plan for the future. It is not conspiracy to actually use scientific methods and look at the data.
Covid essentially killed one specific subset of all humanity and no one else. The cure may not be as bad as the disease, but it is a set of different fleas and fails at a rate that is not acceptable by any standard, that we have used for over 100 years. It is not conspiracy to question shifting mandates. It is not conspiracy to manage risk. And it is certainly not conspiracy to ask why they created the damn thing in the first place.
When you have a political party that insists issues are "this is the way it is and you must not question it', well I got news for you darling, this is america and it is built on questioning those in charge, especially when they openly demonstrate they are full of it.
btw - in your #1 scenario above, you do not have to involve ANY other countries, you only need 1 - the US. The rest of the large countries are making exactly zero moves.
1. The ones that have been proven to be true: MK Ultra, Gulf of Tonkin, Tuskegee Experiment, Operation Paperclip, Operation Mockingbird, Government spying on citizens, deliberate suppression of the Hunter Biden story, recent DHS leaks, etc.
2. The lunatic ones: flat earth, chemtrails, lizard people, fake moon landing, Covid depopulation agenda and the likes.
3. The ones that have basis: JFK not being killed by Oswald alone, CIA involvement in cocaine trafficking, 9/11 which has many red flags (the untouched terrorist passport found in the ruins, the WTC 7 free fall, the Larry Silverstein connection, etc.), underage sex trafficking blackmail ring involving politicians (after Epstein, Maxwell, Jimmy Saville have been exposed, part of it already turned out to be true), the Clinton/Podesta emails with shady code language (full of pedophile code words), old- money Globalist families conspiring with each other in one way or another (even Rockefeller himself admitted that in his autobiography)
4. The (recent) ones that will likely turn out to be true: Covid Lab leak theory, US involvement in the Wuhan GOF research, suppression of effective drugs by Big Pharma
There are many other likely better examples, these are just the ones I could suddenly think of.
Last edited by Easternman; 11-01-2022 at 08:01 AM..
Yes but the phrase "conspiracy theories" is used by the left and media to deflect and snuff out dissent and halt discourse. It's a way of insulating themselves from consequence.
It's insidious because by their definition both critical thinking and science qualify as "conspiracy theories".
What is critical thinking? It is carefully considering an idea and measuring it up against evidence and if it jives with other things you know to be true. If there are inconsistencies and evidence against the idea being pushed, a Critical Thinker should not consider it true without resolving those problems or getting more evidence, and should consider other possibilities. According to the left, any other possibility is a conspiracy theory, and so critical thinking dies
What is Science? Science is the proposal of a new hypothesis, and the collection of evidence and the argument for the validity of the hypothesis based on the evidence. It is coming up with a new idea that nobody thinks is true because by definition it is new and has not been considered. According to the left, any new scientific idea is a conspiracy theory, and so science also dies
Yes but the phrase "conspiracy theories" is used by the left and media to deflect and snuff out dissent and halt discourse. It's a way of insulating themselves from consequence.
It's insidious because by their definition both critical thinking and science qualify as "conspiracy theories".
What is critical thinking? It is carefully considering an idea and measuring it up against evidence and if it jives with other things you know to be true. If there are inconsistencies and evidence against the idea being pushed, a Critical Thinker should not consider it true without resolving those problems or getting more evidence, and should consider other possibilities. According to the left, any other possibility is a conspiracy theory, and so critical thinking dies
What is Science? Science is the proposal of a new hypothesis, and the collection of evidence and the argument for the validity of the hypothesis based on the evidence. It is coming up with a new idea that nobody thinks is true because by definition it is new and has not been considered. According to the left, any new scientific idea is a conspiracy theory, and so science also dies
It has nothing to do with left or right. People in general use the term.
It has nothing to do with left or right. People in general use the term.
Demonstrably false. Just look at the Pelosi hammer attack. The assailant was a nudist hippie druggie with a BLM pride flag. As soon as it was found he believed in conspiracy theories, the media and Biden administration said he had to be a right winger.
I agree that unfounded conspiracy theories are common on the whole political spectrum, but this is not acknowledged in media or in Democrat circles
Demonstrably false. Just look at the Pelosi hammer attack. The assailant was a nudist hippie druggie with a BLM pride flag. As soon as it was found he believed in conspiracy theories, the media and Biden administration said he had to be a right winger.
I agree that unfounded conspiracy theories are common on the whole political spectrum, but this is not acknowledged in media or in Democrat circles
While I hate using the terms left and right which side are you saying is the only one who believes in conspiracy theories?
While I hate using the terms left and right which side are you saying is the only one who believes in conspiracy theories?
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