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The explosions—which may have been missile or drone strikes but that has yet to be confirmed—suggest that whoever is behind them wanted to strike fear right in the heart of Russia.
So they hit a base where they have been attacking Ukrainian civilian infrastructure and apartment buildings is an escalation?
Hitting the Kremlim itself would not be an escalation. That's where generals are ordering the ethnic cleansing, kidnapping of children and murder and torture of Ukrainian civilians.
In the past, the Soviets armed North Vietnam and North Korea which killed many American troops. We also armed the Mujahideen in Afghanistan which killed many Soviet troops.
This is just the way it’s always been, but those conflicts didn’t really affect either country directly as far as attacks at home.
But when it happens near the border, or even within the country, that’s on a whole other level. They got close to us in Cuba, and it almost caused WWIII. Now, we (NATO, Ukraine, same thing) are striking within Russia.
That is incredibly dangerous. The US has to lead in this situation. We must bring everyone together and put an end to this now before it’s too late.
I don’t care if Donbas belongs to Russia, but I do care about Russia detonating a tactical nuke in Ukraine.
Also, I don’t buy into the domino theory, that if we let Russia take some territory, that they will go after Poland, the Baltics, Finland, whatever they want. That’s just nonsensical fearmongering.
This is a war between Ukraine and Russia. All of Russia is fair game for Ukraine. Your take is just abysmally stupid. There's absolutely nothing more Russia can do but nuke Ukraine. And that would backfire with fallout hitting Russia and killing their army and sympathizers within Ukraine.
Yes you are certainly correct that genocide is a rather broad term , however I must question why some refer to the ongoing Russian bombardment of civilian infrastructure as being an example of genocide , when ( while it can certainly be classed as a war crime ) the mere act of doing so has never been classed as such throughout various points in history .
As we all know bombardment of civilian infrastructure comparable to what is going on now has occurred numerous times in the past and yet it isn't commonplace ( quite rightly I might add ) to see the bombing of Dresden or even that of the FRY in 1999 being referred to as an act of genocide , in spite of many people calling those specific acts prime examples of war crimes .
Of course one may object that this is mere nit picking , yet I still take the stance of it being highly necessary in tense situations like this to not exaggerate , since nothing good can come out of making things out to be more than what they actually are .
To further illustrate my point , in spite of unequivocally condemning the conduct of the USA with respect to the bombings of Laos/Cambodia , I ( and many others no doubt ) would never dream of referring to those events as examples of genocide since there is no evidence of the USA having deliberately targeted the Laotian/Cambodian people for extermination in spite of all the deaths it caused .
So until concrete proof emerges of there being more Ukrainian civilian casualties that would be indicative of an actual genocide , in the sense that certain critics of Russia are using now , along with ( f.ex ) daily announcements from the Russian press about there being a vast need to exterminate Ukrainians , I must hold to my position of simply referring to current Russian actions as being examples of war crimes as opposed to genocide in the sense that it's being currently used in .
With regard to the issue of ceding territory , I do not believe that either side should cede territory to the other in a unilateral way , on the contrary I believe that popular referendums concerning territorial status should have been held at least as far back as 2014 .
To this very day people continue to debate whether or not the population of regions like the Crimea or Donbas want to remain in Ukraine or join Russia , which is precisely why I insist that they should have been allowed to vote on the matter under the auspices of a proper internationally monitored referendum .
If the UN , OSCE , EU , USA , and of course Russia and Ukraine themselves had pushed for this back in the day , then there would at least be a sliver of a chance that we wouldn't be seeing this carnage .
Naturally there is a whole lot more to this ongoing conflict than a mere territorial dispute related to ethnic composition , but I do hope that I've given a sufficient enough response for now .
Russia is also murdering and torturing civilians. They have forcibly relocated Ukrainian citizens. They have taken Ukrainian children and sent them to Russia for adoption. This is an effort at genocide even if trying to freeze them to death doesn't qualify as genocide.
There is a considerable difference between what is considered a war crime now vs. what was in 1945. Russia is still playing by 1945 rules against a weaker nation.
As much as I don't like Biden, I do have to ask, what could any president really do at this point to de-escalate tensions between Russia and Ukraine? If we were to try to engage Russia then we pretty much ignite WWIII and it will certainly go Nuclear very quickly.
If Trump had been in office, Russia never would have invaded Ukraine to begin with.
This is a war between Ukraine and Russia. All of Russia is fair game for Ukraine. Your take is just abysmally stupid. There's absolutely nothing more Russia can do but nuke Ukraine. And that would backfire with fallout hitting Russia and killing their army and sympathizers within Ukraine.
Russia is not fully mobilized.
If they decide to fully mobilize Ukraine will become much much more of a blood bath.
So they hit a base where they have been attacking Ukrainian civilian infrastructure and apartment buildings is an escalation?
Hitting the Kremlim itself would not be an escalation. That's where generals are ordering the ethnic cleansing, kidnapping of children and murder and torture of Ukrainian civilians.
Its an escalation because this the first direct attack of Russia. They have a right to defend themselves anyway they can. Russia is committing war crimes.
In the past, the Soviets armed North Vietnam and North Korea which killed many American troops. We also armed the Mujahideen in Afghanistan which killed many Soviet troops.
This is just the way it’s always been, but those conflicts didn’t really affect either country directly as far as attacks at home.
But when it happens near the border, or even within the country, that’s on a whole other level. They got close to us in Cuba, and it almost caused WWIII. Now, we (NATO, Ukraine, same thing) are striking within Russia.
That is incredibly dangerous. The US has to lead in this situation. We must bring everyone together and put an end to this now before it’s too late.
I don’t care if Donbas belongs to Russia, but I do care about Russia detonating a tactical nuke in Ukraine.
Also, I don’t buy into the domino theory, that if we let Russia take some territory, that they will go after Poland, the Baltics, Finland, whatever they want. That’s just nonsensical fearmongering.
That domino theory, as you call it, is exactly what happened when the Soviets took over all those countries starting in 1922. It happened before and Putin is known for his desire to make it happen again. It is not fearmongering. It is a very real possibility.
Last edited by ansible90; 12-05-2022 at 05:44 PM..
But to directly answer your question , Ukraine should refrain from launching such strikes into Russian territory for the same reason it should have refrained from doing many other things
I am glad you weren't an advisor to Roosevelt during World War II.
"Mr. President, the Empire of Japan has attacked our naval base at Pearl Harbor. They have caused great damage and many casualties. I recommend we remove our remaining ships and personnel back to the West Coast, and cede the Territory of Hawaii to their control, in order to avoid further provoking them."
That's not how you win wars, buddy. Especially unprovoked wars of aggression.
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