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If you include Trump supporters, then no....that is incorrect. Trump isn't conservative.
Trump is an old school Democrat. He, like GW Bush believes in personal freedom and personal responsibility, but thinks big government solutions will fix just about any problems that the nation might have.
A common way to divide up the American political battlefield is into quadrants with social and fiscal issues being the two axes.
Socially liberal and fiscally liberal: Democrat base
Socially liberal and fiscally conservative: libertarians
Socially conservative and fiscally conservative: Republican base
Socially conservative and fiscally liberal: ?
The Democrat and Republican bases are roughly offsetting, with the Democrats usually slightly more numerous. Libertarians, despite an outsized online presence and a voice in media through various publications, are numerically few.
Why is the fourth quadrant above so quiet?
Because they are working class. Working class people do not generally have their own publications nor do they contribute a lot of money to either political party. So despite being much more numerous than libertarians and maybe comparable in size to the two party bases, especially if counting those.who do not vote, they have little voice.
This is a good piece touching on some of these themes, from the perspective of a Democrat who laments his party's abandonment of the working class.
This is a huge trove of voters, but to reach them the Democrat base will need to moderate socially, and the Republican base will need to moderate economically.
There's a lot of fiscally liberal republicans. They're the ones who want to lower rates to zero to pump up the stonk and real estate markets, somehow thinking blowing up asset bubbles is healthy for the economy.
The term liberal in this context is murky. I think fiscal conservatives are those that favor big business, low taxes, less government spending (except on defense). Fiscal liberals are those that approve of government spending as a way to help people and improve society. Low interest rates are not really liberal or conservative, or perhaps conservative because they favor big business.
I find it absurdly funny that Big Government Statists are "quiet."
LMAO.
The people screeching for government to intrude into every corner of life are hardly quiet about their demands. The Wailing Banshee Quadrant is a more accurate category title.
Agree here. I'm going to need real life examples because I'm drawing a blank.
BoSox? As in, you're from Boston? And you never knew any blue-collar Democrat-voting union guys? Or any old-school Catholics? You must have gone out of your way to avoid them.
A common way to divide up the American political battlefield is into quadrants with social and fiscal issues being the two axes.
Socially liberal and fiscally liberal: Democrat base
Socially liberal and fiscally conservative: libertarians
Socially conservative and fiscally conservative: Republican base
Socially conservative and fiscally liberal: ?
The Democrat and Republican bases are roughly offsetting, with the Democrats usually slightly more numerous. Libertarians, despite an outsized online presence and a voice in media through various publications, are numerically few.
Why is the fourth quadrant above so quiet?
Because they are working class. Working class people do not generally have their own publications nor do they contribute a lot of money to either political party. So despite being much more numerous than libertarians and maybe comparable in size to the two party bases, especially if counting those.who do not vote, they have little voice.
This is a good piece touching on some of these themes, from the perspective of a Democrat who laments his party's abandonment of the working class.
This is a huge trove of voters, but to reach them the Democrat base will need to moderate socially, and the Republican base will need to moderate economically.
The problem is, it’s impossible to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative because liberal social policies require liberal finances to to pay for it all.
Consequently, libertarians are either terribly confused conservatives, or terribly dishonest, which would make them liberals.
Trump is an old school Democrat. He, like GW Bush believes in personal freedom and personal responsibility, but thinks big government solutions will fix just about any problems that the nation might have.
No, Trump is too focused on making money, while democrats are only interested in spending. Trump may favor smaller government, which is good, but probably because of the waste of money government represents, whereas true conservatives have an ideological basis for limited government, which promotes greater liberty.
I like Trump’s economic positions and policies. It’s good for the country, and ultimately benefits everyone. Beware of this tripe about catering to big business … that’s just Marxist Socialist nonsense. Booming big business means a booming economy that benefits all of us.
A rather common thread to fiscal " liberalism " as it relates to working class people , that doesn't seem to have been mentioned yet , is opposition to free trade and other like policies which are associated with economic globalism .
The American working-class differs from that of its European or Latin American counterparts.
The US version is lukewarm of workers' rights, health insurance, family leave and so on. But it tends to venerate property rights, especially real estate. It views corporations and the wealthy as job-givers... perhaps flinty and greedy, but nevertheless, the ultimate source of the workers' bread. And while there is broad consensus that the EPA and FDA and OSHA have their merits, it is just as broadly believed, that government is bloated, hapless, inefficient and more trouble than it is worth - especially at the federal level.
The international version of the working class proudly sings the Internationale. It believes, or at least acquiesces to the view, that the ultimate source of wealth is not private industry, but the national government, as it embodies The Nation. The commanding heights of the economy belong in public hands; and to the extent that they're in private hands, this is situational and temporary and really a bit phony. The duty of legitimate government is redistribution from the sources of money, to those who most need it. A good government is efficient and particular - and if necessary, ruthless - in making sure that this happens. Paramount are national health insurance, free at point of service. Free higher education. A general retirement system. Worker protections, including generous vacation and sick leave, guaranteed by law. Guaranteed access to housing, and so on. The working class sees itself, quite simply, as the Proletariat.
In contrast to this, the American working class is almost just capitalists in miniature; or as Steinbeck famously quipped, they see themselves as "temporarily embarrassed millionaires".
BoSox? As in, you're from Boston? And you never knew any blue-collar Democrat-voting union guys? Or any old-school Catholics? You must have gone out of your way to avoid them.
Not sure about that person, but plenty of people actually do go out of their way to avoid working class people. And have very little knowledge of them, or see them as a something weird or foreign.
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