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"conservative capitalism"??? As opposed to "liberal socialism"???
I didn't know the conservatives held a monopoly on the concept of capitalism.
Yeah, I wasn't aware of that either. I guess I'm a communist because I'm not a conservative. And who doesn't love McCarthyism?
I also learned from him that wealthy/upper class tend to be democratic. LOL Has anyone ever heard such a statement?
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the little stories that people have made because they're excellent representations of how it's always good to have a mix in the spectrum: the conservatives bring good ideas to the table sometimes and the liberals bring good ideas to the table sometimes -- they need eachother.
But some of these posts which are promoting -- who knows what they're promoting -- are just ridiculous.
I also learned from him that wealthy/upper class tend to be democratic. LOL Has anyone ever heard such a statement?
Actually quite a bit of Democratic funds comes from very wealthy families as well as celebrities. Republicans get middle-class and corporate donations.
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I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the little stories that people have made because they're excellent representations of how it's always good to have a mix in the spectrum: the conservatives bring good ideas to the table sometimes and the liberals bring good ideas to the table sometimes -- they need eachother.
I agree, they do need each other to maintain balance. They are complementary no matter if it is not acknowledged.
Actually quite a bit of Democratic funds comes from very wealthy families as well as celebrities. Republicans get middle-class and corporate donations.
Very true, however, that wasn't the inference (which was that upper class/wealthy tend to be democratic, which is completely UNtrue.)
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Yeah right... Henry Ford wasn't on the leading edge of good wages...
You should, however, add the collapse of the auto industry due to the unions.
... Another capitalist value...
So in your Utopian capitalist world there'd be no unions?
Industries like mining would be free to sacrifice workers at will, refuse to set or follow safety standards as long as the bottom line was good?
And the bloated , overpaid auto executives who made so many poor decisions over the years did nothing to hurt the auto industry? Those who attempted to substitute marketing hype for engineering, bigger tailfins for quality control?
Joe gets up at 6:00am to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot full of good clean drinking water because some liberal fought for minimum water quality standards.
He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe to take because some liberal fought to insure their safety and work as advertised.
All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employers medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance, now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs this day. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.
Joe takes his morning shower reaching for his shampoo; His bottle is properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount of its contents because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained. Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree- hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air.
He walks to the subway station for his government subsidized ride to work; it saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees. You see, some liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.
Joe begins his work day; he has a good job with excellent pay, medicals benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union.
If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some liberal didn't think he should loose his home because of his temporary misfortune.
It's noon time, Joe needs to make a Bank Deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the depression.
Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae underwritten Mortgage and his below market federal student loan because some stupid liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime.
Joe is home from work, he plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to dad's; his car is among the safest in the world because some liberal fought for car safety standards.
He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electric until some big government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification. (Those rural Republicans would still be sitting in the dark)
He is happy to see his dad who is now retired. His dad lives on Social Security and his union pension because some liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to. After his visit with dad he gets back in his car for the ride home.
He turns on a radio talk show, the host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good (He doesn't tell Joe that his beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day). Joe agrees, "We don't need those big government liberals ruining our lives; after all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."
I know right, the Republicans are trying to kill everyone with poisoned bacon.
Umm, OK. Are you saying the Democrats who are for taxing the pharmaceutical companies to death (or suing them to death) or actually helping the problem?
And the Liberal policy of taxing corporations to the point where they have to move offshore is working well?
Look at what has happened since 2006 (when Nancy Pelosi and co. took over). We have suffered a mild recession (fortunately Pres. Bush presented them with a good economic stimulus policy), the OPEC countries know that the Dems won't open up our own oil reserves so they can charge what they want.
Yeah, things go really well when Democrats are in charge (don't get me started on when al Qaeda attacked the USS Cole and Pres. Clinton reaaaally responded strongly)
Found this. Thought it was a great analogy of how republicans think compared to democrats.
A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat and was very much in favor of the redistribution of wealth and in her eyes, the Republicans exploited the poor, for their own gain. A Liberal professer at her school only encouraged her further.
She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a feeling she openly expressed, asking him how he could sleep at night, with his 'ill-gotten gain'. Based on the lectures that she had participated in and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his. She often told her father he needed to share his good fortune with the less fortunate, instead of exploiting and profiteering from them.
One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the addition of more government welfare programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school. Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend and didn't really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.
Her father listened and then asked, "How is your friend Audrey doing?" She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus, college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over."
Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."
The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, "That wouldn't be fair! I have worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!"
The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, "Welcome to the Republican Party."
Great story! Thanks for posting it! Rep point coming!
It's a good thing that one bad administration doesn't represent the party as a whole, considering how much dissatisfaction there is among republicans right now.
I've been a lifelong Republican. My utter disgust goes much deeper than the current administration. Bush didn't inflict all of this damage on America in a vacuum. For six years he had the total support of a rubber stamp congress with both houses in Republican hands. They abrogated their constitutional responsibilities and blindly approved everything. They share a large part of the blame for the current mess we're in.
The Republicans simply cannot be trusted to govern. They must be kept in the minority for a long time, until the neocon poison slowly seeps out of their system. Until they wake up from the foolish notion that the "religious right" deserves a political presence all out of proportion to their numbers.
I formerly supported the Republican party with contributions. Never again. I voted overwhelmingly Republican going all the way back to Nixon. Never again. The Republican party has morphed into a greedy, stupid, short-sighted caricature of all of its WORST qualities.
I've been a lifelong Republican. My utter disgust goes much deeper than the current administration. Bush didn't inflict all of this damage on America in a vacuum. For six years he had the total support of a rubber stamp congress with both houses in Republican hands. They abrogated their constitutional responsibilities and blindly approved everything. They share a large part of the blame for the current mess we're in.
The Republicans simply cannot be trusted to govern. They must be kept in the minority for a long time, until the neocon poison slowly seeps out of their system. Until they wake up from the foolish notion that the "religious right" deserves a political presence all out of proportion to their numbers.
I formerly supported the Republican party with contributions. Never again. I voted overwhelmingly Republican going all the way back to Nixon. Never again. The Republican party has morphed into a greedy, stupid, short-sighted caricature of all of its WORST qualities.
But what the mess really boils down to are the people who voted for the Republicans in 2000 and voted to keep them in place in 2004. Presumably, those same people will be voting for McCain in November as well as their Republican incumbents in Congress.
Yeah, things go really well when Democrats are in charge (don't get me started on when al Qaeda attacked the USS Cole and Pres. Clinton reaaaally responded strongly)
Perhaps someone should get you started, as it doesn't seem that you yet realize that the Cole attack was in October 2000, that US investigators made no progress in Yemen until December 2000, and that the final report on the incident was not delivered to the White House until February 2001. At which time the Bush administration decided to take no action on it.
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