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Clear back in 1978, I worked for Allis Chalmers. Even though about 2/3 of the employees were black, they were forced to add minorities.
It sounds like they had to add minorities in some classifications. When I entered a steel mill in the early seventies, the entire road gang (which laid track and changed railroad tracks in 20 degree weather) was black and Hispanic. The blast furnaces, the coke plant and foundries were predominantly black and the dirtiest jobs in the mill; known cancer factories. No black person was allowed to become a journeyman mason. In the clean rolling mills there were few blacks.
An affirmative action plan at another plant was upheld in 1979.
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The agreement included an affirmative action plan designed to eliminate conspicuous racial imbalances in Kaiser's then almost exclusively white craft work forces by reserving for black employees 50% of the openings in in-plant craft training programs until the percentage of black craft workers in a plant is commensurate with the percentage of blacks in the local labor force. This litigation arose from the operation of the affirmative action plan at one of Kaiser's plants where, prior to 1974, only 1.83% of the skilled craft workers were black, even though the local workforce was approximately 39% black.
It's not about being representative of the communities. That's racism. It's about the qualified number of applicants. We already know standards were lowered to qualify more black applicants in law enforcement and fire departments.
Plus the following proves your statement about black union membership, has no value.
Jan 2023
"Among major race and ethnicity groups, Black workers continued to have a higher union membership rate in 2022 (11.6 percent) than White workers (10.0 percent), Asian workers (8.3 percent), and Hispanic workers (8.8 percent)"
It would be a big step hiring based on competence instead of race.
I'd rather get rid if the H1B1 work visas. With all of the citizens here in the USA that are out of work, there is 0 need for corporations to bring in foreigners to work.
Low paid subservient jobs in farming and domestic work, huh? Undocumenteds in the US have a low unemployment rate, too.
I'll keep mentioning this and you can ignore it and answer with fake outrage if you like. But you have no proof of widespread discrimination in hiring. If anything it was about people from the south coming north. Which you know nothing about either.
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Let's depersonalize this discussion.
How about you quit making things up, stop deflecting, and quit playing the victim?
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That's just it -- college applicants and job applicants are not "a group" -- they are individuals. Individual assessments are called for. When you start rating folks by their group you use prejudging; you know, prejudice.
That's illegal.
No that's not just it. That's you making things up. Individuals are being grouped as an identifier. Nothing to do with pre judging and everything to do with the facts which you avoid.
Under qualified blacks are getting jobs and being admitted to schools based on race. Thank goodness the SCOTUS ruled that forcing someone to be admitted based on race is illegal. It violates the rights of the property owner. Just like Jim Crow did. I'm sure you don't get that either.
Still waiting for you to show proof as far as wide spread discrimination in hiring.
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Do those statistics apply to NYC? That was the claim, not nationwide.
Why make it about 1 city if the claim is wide spread discrimination? But here you go.
New York City’s Unionized Workers Are Mostly Minorities, a Study Shows
"Fully 60 percent of all union members in the city identify themselves as either black or Latino; women who do not identify themselves as black or Latino make up an additional 17 percent of the city’s union members."
For some union jobs in NYC (like the fire department) at one time the recruiters did not even tell when the application exam was to be held! This info only went to certain groups. As stated, some construction unions previously limited new apprentices to those related by blood to union members. That had an obvious result as to black membership.
Except we all know for a fact that standards were lowered in order to hire black people.
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Some unions, like the UAW, had heavy black membership and were active in the civil rights movement. Now, most blacks are concentrated in the trade unions. Hotel workers and government workers are unionized, too. Your citing of a raw percentage of union membership shed little light. Do you know the history of black membership in the flight attendant's union?
One more time in hopes you don't deflect and play the victim. Blacks are not being shut out of unions since I just proved a slightly higher percentage of blacks are in unions than any other race.
Doesn't matter that Asians and Whites are the ones being discriminated against when it comes to jobs and college admittance, right? It's only bad when it happens to blacks. Thank you for acknowledging you're okay with racism. Sometimes.
Do you think the number of black judges nationwide is proportionate to the percentage of black lawyers among all lawyers? You have to deal with the appropriate universe.
I've seen that 5% of U.S. lawyers are black. Is the percentage of judges really that much lower? 22% of SCOTUS justices are black. What do you say about that? Do you object to that disproportion?
Police departments, fire departments in NYC and elsewhere have a long history of discrimination,. the unions in NYC are mostly white
Discrimination in police departments in particular was highlighted the last few years, the force was not close to representative of the communities.
NYC, and other places also had signs saying "NINA"
Blacks nationwide only make up around 13% of the population.
So it stands to reason unions would have a much higher % of whites then blacks.
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