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Old 07-03-2008, 08:39 PM
 
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I'm curious about what anti-abortion people think about this transgendered man bearing a child:
Transgender "man" gives birth - Yahoo! News (broken link)

 
Old 07-04-2008, 01:53 AM
 
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Thumbs down Many people have been raised in poverty

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Why don't you do something about the number of living individual children living in poverty?
More people than not have been born and raised in poverty. Many of them have gone on to have very productive lives. Ask anyone who grew up in poverty if they had rather have been aborted, or given a chance at life, and I'll bet they wlll say "llfe"Everyone should be given this chance--instead of being condemed to death, before they had a chance to choose. Aren't you glad you had a chance?
 
Old 07-04-2008, 04:42 AM
 
Location: Earth
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Cut me a break, roberta.
Have you spoken to any of these people or are you just guessing?
Don't pass your opinion off as fact.

If I were aborted, or miscarried, how would I know?
Duh.
 
Old 07-04-2008, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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More people than not have been born and raised in poverty. Many of them have gone on to have very productive lives. Ask anyone who grew up in poverty if they had rather have been aborted, or given a chance at life, and I'll bet they wlll say "llfe"Everyone should be given this chance--instead of being condemed to death, before they had a chance to choose. Aren't you glad you had a chance?

So you think that ever woman's egg should be fertilized and given the chance for life?

In that manner, I think that a woman's body would still abort some of those eggs.

Would you suggest doing this starting with the first egg that a young woman passes? Or would this reasoning allow for her to grow to a set age first?
 
Old 07-04-2008, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Lakes & Mountains of East TN
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So you think that ever woman's egg should be fertilized and given the chance for life?

In that manner, I think that a woman's body would still abort some of those eggs.

Would you suggest doing this starting with the first egg that a young woman passes? Or would this reasoning allow for her to grow to a set age first?
Don't you think you're being a little over the top in you interpretation of what the person said? Good grief.
 
Old 07-04-2008, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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I understand the potential for regret.....I am not trying to make anyone feel badly, but at the same time it does offend me to my core knowing, holding and giving birth to my 'polyp', it is just painful to have her life reduce to a hangnail.

I know exactly what your saying, and your saddness, but think of it this way...if you can....you cannot sensor or control the U.S. to conform to your sentiments....fortunately, you do think the way you do...but, there are others who do not. I don't believe in abortion either...to me, it is senseless...and idiotic...especially with modern day preventatives out there...this shouldn't even be a topic of discussion in today's world.

We are graced with freedom...we cannot control the masses...but what we do have control over is our very own feelings, beliefs, and moral convictions...therefore, we do the best we can, with what we have...

Human beings are terribly controlling, and when someone goes against our beliefs...our moral fibers...we tend to want to change their way of thinking, or we abandon them, b/c we feel they are no good...

I think, we need to take a step back and consider our own lives, when we feel the need to judge others...our own lives is something we do have control over....the others, well, they will at some point in there lives, be held accountable for what they've done...not by any human beings...but by something called conscience. So, although we can't save the lives of so many babies being destroyed...what we can do, is know, inside, we have done the best that we could do, by feeling compassion, love and empathy.

Does that help or make sense at all?

My best regards
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Old 07-04-2008, 12:57 PM
 
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Cut me a break, roberta.
Have you spoken to any of these people or are you just guessing?
Don't pass your opinion off as fact.

If I were aborted, or miscarried, how would I know?
Duh.
She said the same thing to me.
 
Old 07-04-2008, 07:24 PM
 
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More people than not have been born and raised in poverty. Many of them have gone on to have very productive lives. Ask anyone who grew up in poverty if they had rather have been aborted, or given a chance at life, and I'll bet they wlll say "llfe"Everyone should be given this chance--instead of being condemed to death, before they had a chance to choose. Aren't you glad you had a chance?
I'm not saying being born in poverty is something to necessarily avoid, and I am not tying the abortion issue to economic class. I am simply saying that if you are so concerned about human life and human suffering that there is more than enough work to be done with viable humans who are suffering and spending so much time on non-viable human suffering takes away from what could be a productive contribution to humanity.
 
Old 07-04-2008, 09:14 PM
 
Location: East Central Phoenix
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More people than not have been born and raised in poverty. Many of them have gone on to have very productive lives. Ask anyone who grew up in poverty if they had rather have been aborted, or given a chance at life, and I'll bet they wlll say "llfe"Everyone should be given this chance--instead of being condemed to death, before they had a chance to choose. Aren't you glad you had a chance?
And who is paying for the welfare of all those children born into poverty ... hmmmm? No wonder government spending is out of control, and people complain about all the taxes they have to pay! Maybe if there was more family planning on the part of all the breeders, there wouldn't be so many kids born into poverty. Our taxes would likely be reduced since we wouldn't have to be subsidizing all the financially irresponsible parents who think it's their "right" to keep popping out kids.

If a lot these pro lifers had their way, there would be 14 trillion people in the world, and every woman would be barefoot & pregnant. Most of those kids would be born into impoverished conditions ... so therefore, government spending & taxation would really be out of control (more than it is now). That's a strong indication to me that pro lifers are really socialist minded liberals who mask themselves as conservatives.
 
Old 07-04-2008, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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And who is paying for the welfare of all those children born into poverty ... hmmmm? No wonder government spending is out of control, and people complain about all the taxes they have to pay! Maybe if there was more family planning on the part of all the breeders, there wouldn't be so many kids born into poverty. Our taxes would likely be reduced since we wouldn't have to be subsidizing all the financially irresponsible parents who think it's their "right" to keep popping out kids.

If a lot these pro lifers had their way, there would be 14 trillion people in the world, and every woman would be barefoot & pregnant. Most of those kids would be born into impoverished conditions ... so therefore, government spending & taxation would really be out of control (more than it is now). That's a strong indication to me that pro lifers are really socialist minded liberals who mask themselves as conservatives.
I am entirely in favour of responsible adults who do pop out a dozen children.

However, IMHO, while in socialist nations such as the entitlement-prone USA, it has been my observation that many adults 'pop out' children so that it does keep them on welfare.

There are non-socialist cultures where welfare does not exist, and yet they still tend to have large families. But they focus on supporting their families.

I do find it dis-tasteful when I have seen 'poor' Americans who are having babies purely for the welfare checks.

As a landlord I see this. And as a former foster-parent I have seen this. It is fairly common in the US.

"Pro-life" / "Pro-death", whatever. I hate the labels. I am in favour of abortions. I am also against welfare.

Is that "liberal"? Or "Conservative"?
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