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A good solid union maintenance mechanic would have had the gear up and running in half the time, worked safer, got paid WAY LESS, than the "specialist"
He never said what it was, so how can you say that? We had machines put in and unless you wre factory trained your solid union maintenance mechanic would have been lost. Just a question, ok.
I worked in a union plant for many years but I never joined and I never needed them. All the union was good for was sticking up for the lazy people who didn't want to work. The last pay raise that company gave was voluntary on the company's behalf, the union didn't even bargain for it. That great union is known as UNITE!, and it stinks. Thankfully they never saw a dime of my money. Every election they would come around with their stickers and tell me who to vote for. I took great pleasure in telling them to shove it!
You nailed it paully, unions are driven by greed , their whole mentality is to drive up wages, in turn increasing the cost of living for everyone. Look how business are thriving in right to work states vs heavily unionized states.
Businesses may thriving in right to work states because it's a lot easier for them to get by with paying less. Since Right to Work passed in Oklahoma in 2001 most of the new industry coming into Oklahoma have been boring, low pay jobs or back breaking warehousing ones, such as those brought in from Wal-Mart and Dollar Tree. It happened just like the Right to Work opponents said it would.
Dell came to Oklahoma City as a result of right to work with somewhat higher paying jobs but already it's started laying off people. So Oklahoma is mainly now depending on the the oil and gas industry to hopefully keep it resistant to recession.
Better think again about businesses thriving anywhere. In my home town the Mercruiser boat motor manufacturing plant is laying off 130 workers with concern that the whole plant that once employed over 1000 in 2006 will eventually have to shut down. It was never unionized.
No a services contract union, but yes, I did like knowing my kids were being taught by teachers with minimum educations. I had a parochial school education and "Because God made it that way" was not a very satisfying answer from my lovely, but very old and very out of touch biology teacher whose education was in reading skills.
I don't know where you live but the teachers union has nothing to do with that here. It's the state that does. And for some reason the teachers union here always seem to think kids will be smarter if the teachers are paid more, I never could understand that. I'm not knocking the teachers, just their union here.
Businesses may thriving in right to work states because it's a lot easier for them to get by with paying less. Since Right to Work passed in Oklahoma in 2001 most of the new industry coming into Oklahoma have been boring, low pay jobs or back breaking warehousing ones, such as those brought in from Wal-Mart and Dollar Tree. It happened just like the Right to Work opponents said it would.
Dell came to Oklahoma City as a result of right to work with somewhat higher paying jobs but already it's started laying off people. So Oklahoma is mainly now depending on the the oil and gas industry to hopefully keep it resistant to recession.
Better think again about businesses thriving anywhere. In my home town the Mercruiser boat motor manufacturing plant is laying off 130 workers with concern that the whole plant that once employed over 1000 in 2006 will eventually have to shut down. It was never unionized.
Texas is a right to work state and we are booming here....Most manufacturing jobs have moved overseas because of high wages and other restrictions put on them by our federal government.
We are a long way away from the days when unions were formed and actually served a good purpose , let's not live in the past.
Workers will always be taken advantage of to help the bottom line, let's not live in fantasyland.
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You guy's really are a hoot with all your "evils of capitalism", "obey you and your whims", lot a drama!
Unchecked capitalism is what brought the horrors of unions down upon "management" (getting bigger all the time) in the first place.
You said "obey" in your post, and you're defending employers' right to manage or mismanage their employees any way they want to = the employers' "whim," backed up by Right to Work. It is dramatic, I agree, that scenario you describe.
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I've been in the work world for over 30 years now, and I am about as defiant, stubborn and anti-authority as you can get, in those 30 years I never worked for one place for more than 5 years, been hired,fired, rehired, quit, layed off, pissed off, disagreed with more boss's than I agreed with, but I never once thought that I was entitled to more than an honest day's wages for an honest days work,maybe the differences, is I never looked at myself as a VICTIM, I never had trouble finding another job on my own or thought that I needed to pay some slacker leach fatcat dues so he could "look out for me"(1979, Carter era was pretty tough). Always kept the frame of mind "that which does not kill me makes me stronger", everytime I got fired or quit, I knew that a better opportunity would come along! The reason unions have become synonomous with the democrat party is, they both promote the victim status, they indoctrinate people with GREED, you DESERVE more you are ENTITLED to more, but you cant do it for you're self, you NEED us, to help you, to look out for you , to hold you're hand and care for you, to defend you, to think for you.........but it will cost you and everyother American!
I see what you mean from your point of view, and I understand that big unions can be ugly, greedy, overblown, corrupt and encouraging corruption, infuriating management and labor both. I dont know about those big outfits that you're thinking of, but I do know about unprotected workers in small towns, and that's who I have in mind when I talk about worker protection.
In companies that locate in rural locations and among smaller employers, unprotected workers are taken advantage of and treated shabbily all the time. I've lived in towns like that where that sort of thing happens constantly; how can these people protect themselves? They dont want a union, they don't want to hogtie the boss - they're not infected with GREED or wanting ENTITLEMENT as you say - they just want to know they'll be treated fairly and honestly.
The answer is, the NLRB needs to put its teeth back in.
Most manufacturing jobs moved overseas so they could pay slave wages, disregard the safety of workers and crap all over the environment
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Texas is a right to work state and we are booming here....Most manufacturing jobs have moved overseas because of high wages and other restrictions put on them by our federal government.
Note that in so-called "right to work" states the union MUST represent the non union workers in a union plant and the non union workers MUST be paid the same wages and benefits as union ones. So some people get to freeload on the efforts and dues of others. I gaurantee you, that's the ONLY time you'll see bosses wanting to see their workers freeload.
Now if "right to work" laws were really about freedom the employer would be free to pay those non union workers less than the union ones. But of course it isn't about freedom or what's good for workers, it's about weakening unions.
Note that the only thing the "right to work" people want to do for workers is give them the priviledge of working for less. You don't see the "right to work" people out there fighting for better safety or higher wages.
Goebbels must'a had a second job as a consultant to employers, this misuse of the term "right to work" is worthy of him.
I don't know where you live but the teachers union has nothing to do with that here. It's the state that does. And for some reason the teachers union here always seem to think kids will be smarter if the teachers are paid more, I never could understand that. I'm not knocking the teachers, just their union here.
Well perhaps it is because of where you live that you have poor teaching standards, sorry about that. I am originally from the Northeast, and have lived many places in the US, and am very satisfied with the public schools that my children attended. They both got into good universities and have scholarships. Maybe you do not attract high quality teachers because of the pay? I don't know.
A good solid union maintenance mechanic would have had the gear up and running in half the time, worked safer, got paid WAY LESS, than the "specialist"
You have absolutely no idea, what you are talking about!
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. The last pay raise that company gave was voluntary on the company's behalf, the union didn't even bargain for it. That great union is known as UNITE!, and it stinks. Thankfully they never saw a dime of my money. Every election they would come around with their stickers and tell me who to vote for. I took great pleasure in telling them to shove it!
