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Hilarious. That sucking sound is what little shred of credibility you might have had flushing right down the toilet.
It generally holds true that if you scratch an "anti-Zionist" long enough, you find a Jew hater under the surface. Not always, but one who is brazen enough to post neo-nazi, KKK crap on a forum like this is certainly filed under, "walks like a duck, talks like a duck, is a duck."
Sieg heil!
Ditto on all the rb4browns! The David Duke Crowd and his Usual Suspects are actually saturated with so much pathological hate which studies have revealed sadly originate from an early childhood that was plagued with sexually and physically abusive experiences. The tragic experience of a child having to endure rampant incest and pedophilia often leads some down a life filled with pathological hate. In some ways I can be sympathetic but once you are an adult there is no excuse.
Israel does in fact have some valid reasons for their hardline approach to the Palestinians and some of their arab neighbors. As some have pointed out having rockets launched at your civilian population would call for some retaliation. Maybe a lot depending how well you could pin point the source. I would be glad to see Israel lay waste to any terrorist training camps, safe houses or weapons they find. Unfortunately the reality is that Terrorists have learned to hide really well.
Israel has killed and maimed quite a few non-combatants in their efforts to fight the terrorists.
Many of you know I am not at all Israels biggest fan. That said Israel does have a right to defend themselves. The terrorists hide amoung civilians. Civilians have paid a huge price. I won't say all civilians have been forced to protect the bad guys but many were.
Cnn's piece was slanted to a point but not terribly inaccurate. I myself have modified many of my own opinions on Israel and their use of force. I still don't agree with how they handle the Palestinians but I have the luxury of sitting about 5000 miles outside of ground zero. Thats a pretty safe spot. If your home town were being attacked on a regular basis no doubt you would be demanding that our military respond.
CNN was accurate enough but biased in telling the story.
The part bolded above is the entire basis for my sentiments in this area of the Middle East. If no rockets or suicide bombs would be set off in Israel beginning this moment, I think ALL violence would stop.
The part bolded above is the entire basis for my sentiments in this area of the Middle East. If no rockets or suicide bombs would be set off in Israel beginning this moment, I think ALL violence would stop.
Immediately.
I won't argue your point other than say its a bit more complicated than just rocket attacks.
It also has to do with Israeli attacks on non-combatants. I'll say this now I don't feel that Israel simply picks a populated area to attack. More like they know that there are terrorists within that group. They strike the group in hopes of killing the bad guys. Believe it or not your average arab citizen has no desire to be used as a shield. They fear the retaliation from the terrorists if they don't cooperate. I doubt anyone can honestly dispute the very real threat they must feel. So Israel kills the handful of bad guys with a handful of Moms, dads and brothers and sisters who had nothing to do with any attacks. What does this breed? What mentality does it feed? It gives credibility to the extremist dogma, A young boy who had no aspirations of becoming a jihadist now has reason to become one.
Yes if rocket attacks stopped today Israel would also stop its attacks. Neither are going to happen because neither side is really interested in finding a common ground and starting from there. More to the point neither side is willing to trust in the least the other. Outsiders keep supporting the struggles on both sides so peace is not likely to happen.
If Israel is to survive they will have to play hardball and extricate the terrorists from within and outside their borders.. All great nations have done this and if Israel wants to move forward they will have to stop their obsessions with the negativity of the UN, the European Nations and clearly their Arab neighbors as well! During the first 80 years of our nation there were many foreign and internal forces trying to undermine and destroy us. We prevailed because it was our vision to do so! Israel needs a similar vision!
Next, you'll be calling for Iran and Syria to wiped off the map. Mere obstacles in the path of Israel's version of Manifest Destiny, I guess. Grind them all up under IDF bootheels...
Yes if rocket attacks stopped today Israel would also stop its attacks.
Israel has very little history in the area of relenting in its battle. The only effective constraint on its behavior has been the application of a short leash by the US. Bush has chosen from the get-go to apply no leash at all.
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Neither are going to happen because neither side is really interested in finding a common ground and starting from there. More to the point neither side is willing to trust in the least the other. Outsiders keep supporting the struggles on both sides so peace is not likely to happen.
Each side has quite clearly offered offense to the other in spades. Focusing on the past, however, only means that the future will look just like it. If the US were able to play the role of honest broker that it once tried to play, there would be hope of each side recognizing a different and better future for itself. It will be yet some time however before any such process as that can be undertaken again.
Now, back to your regularly scheduled bulldozing and rocket launching...
Israel has very little history in the area of relenting in its battle. The only effective constraint on its behavior has been the application of a short leash by the US. Bush has chosen from the get-go to apply no leash at all.
Each side has quite clearly offered offense to the other in spades. Focusing on the past, however, only means that the future will look just like it. If the US were able to play the role of honest broker that it once tried to play, there would be hope of each side recognizing a different and better future for itself. It will be yet some time however before any such process as that can be undertaken again.
Now, back to your regularly scheduled bulldozing and rocket launching...
When exactly did the US try to play honest broker?
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The part bolded above is the entire basis for my sentiments in this area of the Middle East. If no rockets or suicide bombs would be set off in Israel beginning this moment, I think ALL violence would stop.
Immediately.
Maybe but would that result in Israel giving back the land it took from the Palestinians?
With varying degrees of success, over pretty much the entirety of the time prior to the ascendancy of George W. Bush.
That's a fantasy interpretation of the 60 years of MIdeast history, but I suppose a gratuitous, albeit irrelevant shot at Bush. Nice try though.
CLinton, Bush 1, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower, Truman. All of them "honest brokers?"
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