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They should return all the tasers and go back to using bullets. Fewer costly trials, fewer prison inmates to provide for, fewer criminals on the street. Don't want to be shot? Don't commit a crime, and/or if a cop gives you an order, follow it.
I just saw an article online. Since the paper came up in an Adobe Reader, I can't link it, but here's the story:
"TX, Orange - A 46-year-old man is dead after police officers stunned him with a Taser while trying to arrest him.
The unidentified man was found at the home of an elderly woman after she made a medical alert call, The Orange Leader reported.
Medical personnel called police after arriving at her home and seeing the woman screaming for help. Officers found the man on the floor and the woman in bed.
The suspect resisted and officers used their Taser stun gun to stop him."
So... my question is do you think it's police brutality is using a Taser gun against an individual who was "on the floor", or is this the fault of the individual for resisting arrest?[/quote----
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Thats the police version of the story . Doesnt mean its true.
However their version is accepted by every white person here.
Tasers like everything else this militia has is used to abuse people .
If the guy was black they will be fine its okay to kill him .
Well seeing as how there was an eye witness to the whole thing and they'd have the medic alert people that heard the old lady screaming....that would seem to back up the "police version". Granted it could just all be a conspiracy against this poor 46 year old. While the police aren't perfect, the fact that there are a number of other witnesses seems pretty good.
Sounds like you like to make excuses for people based upon their skin color.
You can talk about socio-economic conditions causing this, racism etc. and the occasional bad cop. However, to make up excuses for a guy caught in this old ladies house with a ton of non-police witnesses....it's sad.
Seems everyone is quick to jump to the conclusion he was an intruder. The way some old people can carry on care givers might get mistaken for an intruder, especially if some crazy old woman was screaming at them. Hmmm seems like some risky situations and if your police don't use their weapons with discretion one may get more than bargained for. If they used it for no reason then the cops were wrong. If he posed a threat to them fine zap him. I don't see how anyone on the floor is a threat.
Will they be zapping motorists when they stop them... oh yea they already have done that.
I wonder if anyn of the posters opinions would change if they get zapped?
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Originally Posted by Rathagos
I just saw an article online. Since the paper came up in an Adobe Reader, I can't link it, but here's the story:
"TX, Orange - A 46-year-old man is dead after police officers stunned him with a Taser while trying to arrest him.
The unidentified man was found at the home of an elderly woman after she made a medical alert call, The Orange Leader reported.
Medical personnel called police after arriving at her home and seeing the woman screaming for help. Officers found the man on the floor and the woman in bed.
The suspect resisted and officers used their Taser stun gun to stop him."
So... my question is do you think it's police brutality is using a Taser gun against an individual who was "on the floor", or is this the fault of the individual for resisting arrest?
I've been dormant for awhile, but this one has raised an eyebrow! Ok, since I've already written my take on tasers I'll add just a little here...well little in my book anyways....
You are summoned to a house where you have a woman in distress, screaming, obviously hysterical, elderly and many factors unknown except what you see. The article does not explain everything as most police agencies require a lengthy explanation as to why you utilized the taser as opposed to another less than lethal force option. The article, based on what you wrote said nothing as to whether his hands were visible to the officers. Said nothing about what the intruders state of mind was and said nothing about any verbal or physical acts pertaining to resistance. I need to see the report before I go and pass judgement one way or the other, after all we all know how accurate the press is right?
Tasers are acceptable and are effective if used properly. Its another way for our guys in blue to go home at night. If the guy deserved it and died in the process, more than likely he was under the influence of something else. Think twice before getting hopped up on something and breaking into an old ladies home. Perhaps natural selection is kicking in.
Thats the police version of the story . Doesnt mean its true.
However their version is accepted by every white person here.
Tasers like everything else this militia has is used to abuse people .
If the guy was black they will be fine its okay to kill him .
So, what did you see to indicate that there was another version? Just because police said it you doubt it? Why do you automatically feel that anything police say is suspect? Police are much like anyone else and try to slant the facts to support their position as much as possible, but I don't think the larger percentage of police falsify facts to cover up for themselves.
I get the impression that you do feel that way for some reason. Care to share your depressing story on that issue?
Everyone so far has expressed the opinion that he should have been killed just for being in bed with an elderly woman who did not want him there, even before you interjected race into the issue. They seemed okay with killing him even if he were white, oriental, indian, native american, fillipino, etc.... I guess you are right that if he were black everyone's opinion would not change on this aspect of the story.
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Originally Posted by Luiso
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The clubs wouldnt kill him. These tasers seem to be used and abused for the slightest reason.
Ancedotal evidence from the early 1900's and the labor union wars would indicate that clubs are much more likely to kill you than a taser is. Even if you were not killed by a clubbing you would be very likely to sustain significant permenant injuries including brain damage, loss of sight and/or hearing and broken bones.
I am not aware of any systemic abuse of tasers....but I would much prefer their use in abuse situations than clubs, guns, dogs, firehoses or steel toed boots.
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Originally Posted by Luiso
Why must we pick between beating with clubs or killing with taser ?
We don't. You can wear a sign requesting public hanging, dog mauling or whatever painful detterent you desire and we will attempt to fulfill your wishes. It is just that tasers are preferred by 9 out of 10 violent criminals when presented with the various options available at the time.
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Originally Posted by Luiso
And again why believe the police version ?
Because I have not heard or read anything that casts any doubt on the police version. I have not even heard the perp arguing against the police version. Whenever I hear anything I first compare it to common sense and how I would expect the facts to be and if I find something out of whack with the story I get suspicious. I find nothing out of the ordinary with this story.
If I hear other "facts" that conflict with a story and the other "facts" also meet my criteria of common sense and reasonable under the circumstances, then I have to make a decision based on the source of the facts as to which source is likely to be more reliable. If one set of facts is more reasonable than the other, then that set of facts are more believable to me and I try to force the other set to prove itself correct before accepting it over the more reasonable set.
So, as you might have inferred already, you will need to do more than suggest that the story is wrong just because the police told it for me to agree with you.
Officers of the Orange Police Department and Orange County Constable Precinct 1 responded to the location. From inside the residence they could hear a female screaming for help. Upon entry officers found a 46 year old male subject in a bed with the elderly female. The officers removed the female from the bed and attempted to take the male subject into custody. The subject refused to comply with verbal instructions to show his hand or to otherwise follow the orders of the officers. The subject was making moves that caused officers to fear for their safety. The officers chose to deploy a less than lethal device (Taser®) to reduce the threat to themselves, to others, and to take the person into custody.
So, it sounds like this guy was in the bed at the time he was Tasered. If he was, it could be reasonable to assume that his hands were covered by sheets or blankets.
If so, a hidden hand could hide a gun or a knife.
The police did NOT know what was going with his hands under the covers. They're not mindreaders.
So, why couldn't the cops just grab him? Well, they don't want to be sliced or stabbed, let alone shot. It's safer to subdue them a distance.
I know if I were given the choice, I'd GLADLY be Tazed than shot with a .38 hollow point.
Seems everyone is quick to jump to the conclusion he was an intruder. The way some old people can carry on care givers might get mistaken for an intruder, especially if some crazy old woman was screaming at them. Hmmm seems like some risky situations and if your police don't use their weapons with discretion one may get more than bargained for. If they used it for no reason then the cops were wrong. If he posed a threat to them fine zap him. I don't see how anyone on the floor is a threat.
Will they be zapping motorists when they stop them... oh yea they already have done that.
I wonder if anyn of the posters opinions would change if they get zapped?
That must be it... he must be a caregiver...... He was simply there to help her move all her belongings out of the house and keep her jewelry and cash safe at the pawn shop.... If they zapped me and I am still able to move afterwards... the zapping isn't strong enough...
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He was simply there to help her move all her belongings out of the house and keep her jewelry and cash safe at the pawn shop.... If they zapped me and I am still able to move afterwards... the zapping isn't strong enough...
