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Old 09-11-2008, 11:12 PM
 
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I am a smoker for about 57 years,already outliving a lot of my non smoking friends. So much for the smoking kills and 2nd hand smoke retoric! When is the last time you saw 2nd smoke on a death cerficate? I think my point
is it that it"s a lifestyle choice, that has been taken away. I don't look at
it as losing because it is what it is! The only way I can get even is not to
patronise bars or restaurants any more. Think of all the money I will save
by eating and drinking at home, so I win and the businesses lose! This is how I will deal with it and in time they will all show a loss of revenue, which is a proven pattern in other states.
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Old 09-11-2008, 11:20 PM
 
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well let's see...one of my friends...his sister died at the age of 16 from lung cancer. Never touched a cigarette in her life. The cancer started in her lungs so it didn't spread from any other part. Lucky you for being alive. Smoke all you want in your car and in your house. It's worked pretty well in Ohio and I'm sure it will work fine in PA. Times are changing...don't blame the restaurants and businesses. It's the law.
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Old 09-12-2008, 01:27 AM
 
Location: somewhere near Pittsburgh, PA
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Most states already had a smoking ban, PA finally caught up to the rest of the US. Somehow these businesses in other states managed to survive with the smoking ban. Congrats for outliving your non-smoking friends, maybe your second-hand smoke killed them. I watched my grandfather die a slow, agonizing death from lung cancer in his 60's, but I'm sure you know more than all the doctors that tried to save his life by getting him to quit smoking years before.

Hey by the way, check your calendar. It's 2008, not 1974. Go smoke outside where cigarette smoking belongs and let others finally be able to enjoy a nice dinner without smelling your toxins.

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Old 09-12-2008, 02:13 AM
 
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Default what about the constitution

Where does the blue print of this country say that government house can tell a free person what they can or can not do on their PRIVATE property. Other than protecting other individual's rights, government has no authority to regulate a free product. This slippery-slope will doom us all-next guns, then fast-food, then fast cars and what about porn-it hurts others.
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Old 09-12-2008, 06:24 AM
 
Location: pittsburgh
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there is a no smoking bar down the street from me
its been like that since it opened a few months ago

it is nice being in a bar that is not smoke filled


however the problem with it is
all the smokers go outside
and at any given moment of a friday night there is 10 to 15 people outside of the bar from 8pm till 2am.

and with that kind of traffic in and out of the bar all night
there is going to be trouble

and of coure the occasional drunk falls into the street and allmost gets hit

and im sure its only a matter of time before the residents start bitching cause there afraid to walk through a crowd
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Old 09-12-2008, 06:26 AM
 
Location: pittsburgh
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ha ha ha
im sure this thread is going to turn in to all out war by the end of the day
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Old 09-12-2008, 07:45 AM
 
Location: somewhere near Pittsburgh, PA
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ha ha ha
im sure this thread is going to turn in to all out war by the end of the day
Nah, I see it locked by noon.
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Old 09-12-2008, 08:30 AM
 
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Do smokers really stay home because they can't smoke at a bar or restaurant?

Jesus, Part of going out is either to meet other people, or get some nice dinning experience. I use to smoke in Colorado when theirs was in effect. I never gave two craps about going outside for a smoke, even in the harsh of winter. It made me slow down, and not chain smoke if I was out at a bar. It also was a good way at meeting other people. People are friendly when out for a smoke.

I don't smoke anymore (I had to come to Pittsburgh to stop, thats ironic). But it never made me stay home and get drunk by myself because I had to walk outside for a smoke if I went out. I mean, I am lazy, but not that lazy.
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Old 09-12-2008, 08:31 AM
 
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I definitely see both sides to this. I've been a smoker and a non smoker at different times in my life. Sometimes on for years, somtimes off for years. When you're a smoker 2nd hand smoke is something you just don't notice, yours or anybody else's. But when you're not smoking, even if it's only been a couple weeks, it's just as offensive to you as if you never had a cigarette in your life. Smoking kills, no doubt, but so does the air in many American cities. Pittsburgh and L.A. are still two of the worst. They've had the smoking ban out here for years now, and every time I've lit up in public since, you do feel like a criminal. And it has had a negative effect on business for restaurants and bars as well. You'd think an establishment should be allowed to designate itself smoker friendly, and those who don't wish to be in that environment could opt to stay away, but that would make too much sense. The bars and restaurants that were hurt the most were the off-the-beaten path privately owned, the kind Pittsburgh is so rich with, the kind that are quickly dying off in L.A., leaving for a large part only the soulless chains that I avoid like the plague. Truth is, I see the OP's point, mainly because I don't think the jury is in on second hand smoke, or on what causes cancer. Too many clean livers get it, and too many bad people like me don't.
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Old 09-12-2008, 11:20 AM
 
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Where does the blue print of this country say that government house can tell a free person what they can or can not do on their PRIVATE property. Other than protecting other individual's rights, government has no authority to regulate a free product. This slippery-slope will doom us all-next guns, then fast-food, then fast cars and what about porn-it hurts others.
Nobody is saying you can't smoke on YOUR private property. Like I said...smoke all you want in YOUR house and car.
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