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Old 02-28-2009, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Long Island,New York
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If you've read my posts most realize that I PREFER the democrats but will vote Republican "if"I thought they were better for this country.Now lets just put preferences aside for a minute.When Obama was elected I have to say as a country (no matter how good or bad he does) I took great pride in what we had accomplished.I never thought in my lifetime that i'd ever see a black man as our president.Even though most people are open minded to the best candidate,I thought racism might block this. I was so proud that the majority saw past the color of his skin, and this actually gave me hope that our future can be a bright one.Any thoughts?
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Old 02-28-2009, 06:19 PM
 
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I'm going to start a drinking game using the words "socialist" and "Nobama" based on these responses.

People are so vicious on this forum for a guy just trying to plug a sinking ship, I should be passed out in an hour.
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Old 02-28-2009, 06:22 PM
 
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I'm going to start a drinking game using the words "socialist" and "Nobama" based on these responses.

People are so vicious on this forum for a guy just trying to plug a sinking ship, I should be passed out in an hour.
Please eat first and take a short nap.
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Old 02-28-2009, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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I agree, I was very proud of the fact that someone I was hoping against hope would win was actually elected by comfortable margin, and I do think racism (at least against blacks) is decreasing. While that shows progress in human rights and a lessening of the right wing ignorance of racism, I still see and hear it directed at Muslims or Latino's.

Either way, the tide is turning, like it or not. The demographics of America is like much of the world, the white man is now having to share power with more and more people of color, which benefits us all, as these people are in touch with the average person and understand their needs (most white elected Republicans have only known wealth and privilege and not only cannot relate to the poor, they dont give a damn about them either)

I hope it marks a new milestone in America and more and more people of color reach the highest office in America. Best I've felt about being an American in a decade, and especially so after the dreadful 8 years we all suffered through with a war mongering imbecile as President
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Old 02-28-2009, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Rural Northern California
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Don't you think that's a little racist? Elect anybody else and it's just another new president, but elect a black man and all of a sudden it's a triumph that the "majority saw past the color of his skin." What's wrong with the color of his skin? If we are to fully accept that a black man and a white man are equal, which they obviously are, then we need to judge them equally on their accomplishments. The problem of racism is never going to go away as long as we praise somebody because of the color of their skin. We need to stop seeing people as existing in disordinate little groups, and consider all of us members of the fraternity of men.
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Old 02-28-2009, 06:35 PM
 
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I'm going to start a drinking game using the words "socialist" and "Nobama" based on these responses.

People are so vicious on this forum for a guy just trying to plug a sinking ship, I should be passed out in an hour.
Is he trying to plug the holes with more treasury notes?
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Old 02-28-2009, 06:46 PM
 
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Whatever it takes. Short-term government investment and infrastructure spending to save failing private institutions is not the craziest idea ever attempted.

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Don't you think that's a little racist? Elect anybody else and it's just another new president, but elect a black man and all of a sudden it's a triumph that the "majority saw past the color of his skin." What's wrong with the color of his skin? If we are to fully accept that a black man and a white man are equal, which they obviously are, then we need to judge them equally on their accomplishments. The problem of racism is never going to go away as long as we praise somebody because of the color of their skin. We need to stop seeing people as existing in disordinate little groups, and consider all of us members of the fraternity of men.
That's all well and good widowmaker (disturbing...), but the fact is that we are only 130 years removed from slavery and only 50 years removed from absolute bigotry and subjugation of black people as sub-human unable to even share a drinking fountain.

The black journey in the U.S. is nothing like Hispanic or Asian or Indian (from India). It would not be that big of a deal, for example, if Jindal became president.

We've had a hard, long, bigoted journey getting to this point. It is worthy of celebrating the triumph of the United States living up to its philosophical promise and people from all walks of life voting for a man based on his character and demonstrated ability to lead.

And if you think it's just because he's black, then Jesse Jackson would have been elected ages ago.
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Old 02-28-2009, 06:46 PM
 
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Boy, oh boy, here we go...

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Don't you think that's a little racist? Elect anybody else and it's just another new president, but elect a black man and all of a sudden it's a triumph that the "majority saw past the color of his skin." What's wrong with the color of his skin? If we are to fully accept that a black man and a white man are equal, which they obviously are, then we need to judge them equally on their accomplishments. The problem of racism is never going to go away as long as we praise somebody because of the color of their skin. We need to stop seeing people as existing in disordinate little groups, and consider all of us members of the fraternity of men.
Where does one start. How does one start?

Racist? How hopelessly bizarre. For more than 200 years African Americans have been by statute and social convention excluded from full participation in the political life of the country, so when you consider that after a Civil War, a tumultuous period of racial strive the moment arrives when an African American is elected to the highest office in the land, and it would be racist to acknowledge from a historical perspective that this was an event of historical import, unlike electing "any other guy" and that this wouldn't be a cause for national celebration?

What the Freud!

Now I can understand thinking that it will be a more important milestone when an African American is elected to the Presidency and no one notices the fact that they are an African American, but clearly we are no where close to that day, because when it comes, by definition, no one would notice. We aren't there yet, but this was a major step along that path.

God help us until then.
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Old 02-28-2009, 06:58 PM
 
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I actually disagree with the notion that we should be color blind. I have friends of different races and I don't forget their different races. They are often proud of their heritage in the same way I'm proud of mine.
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Old 02-28-2009, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Long Island,New York
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Don't you think that's a little racist? Elect anybody else and it's just another new president, but elect a black man and all of a sudden it's a triumph that the "majority saw past the color of his skin." What's wrong with the color of his skin? If we are to fully accept that a black man and a white man are equal, which they obviously are, then we need to judge them equally on their accomplishments. The problem of racism is never going to go away as long as we praise somebody because of the color of their skin. We need to stop seeing people as existing in disordinate little groups, and consider all of us members of the fraternity of men.
I think you're missing the point! When i've travelled across the country you have democrats and republicans.When you hit certain midwestern and southern states you notice that racism is more prevalent in specific spots (especially in the MUCH OLDER people).Obviously there is racism everywhere but definitely more concentrated in these parts.The fact that these people exist and were probably so against him being president, I thought this might be a stumbling block for him.The fact that he won with such a high percentage meant that the country either saw him as a better candidate or his color was not an issue. This meant that race wasn't a problem---that is why I was proud of our country.Not that they accepted a black man,but because they voted for a man who just so happened to be black and never thought twice about it.This was the U.S. coming along way from what wouldn't have happened 40 years ago.
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