Most Republicans vote against their best interest

[One Thousand]

I wanted to make sure you were conceding your initial argument before responding to your last post to me. I figure a few days is sufficient... Now... to your next assertions...

Originally Posted by Humanoid

Marx would argue that Capitalism is the most oppressive economic structure, so I suppose we shouldn't differentiate between any of them.

If he is right, then why did American quality of life stay higher than Soviet quality of life?

The idea that Capitalism prevents or is even opposed to oppression is naive at best.

If capitalism is unjust in any way, please give examples.

Originally Posted by Humanoid

Liberal policies aren't targeted at giving people that don't work the money of people that don't have much to begin with (i.e, the "workers"). If you think this well...you've been suckered.

I agree. Liberal policies-- which are socialist policies-- seek to, ultimately, force people to work to the maximum potential for the state.

Liberal policies instead want to prevent wealth becoming too concentrated in a few people's pockets.

Agreed. They want the money in the government's pocket.

Liberal policies favor a strong middle-class.

Yes... liberal policies favor one big class.

Welfare when done correctly protects the working class because it creates safety nets.

That's fair... However, I think it's misleading not to mention that it violates the liberty of the middle-class to not have an opt-out option. Basically, there's no reason that a person that wants a welfare insurance can't buy an AFLAC policy except for the reality that there are many Americans, like you, who seek to impose their values on the rest of us... That's oppressive.

Are Welfare systems abused? Sure. But that does not remove all the good they do for workers.

True, but it does urinate in the face of the people who pay for it.

Also, it should be added that Welfare programs are generally state run. So, all this talk about Obama and Welfare is pure propaganda.

Fed funds it and sets guidelines.

Lastly, unless you make over $250,000 (and I'm pretty sure you don't...) you will see your taxes raised at all under Obama rather the opposite. But I suppose you let the Republicans sucker you into thinking that McCain is going to cut your taxes. The Republicans haven't supported the working class for some time, its about time you wake up and smell the coffee.

Yes, the rich people are going to pay all the taxes... for a little while. Then, when people start getting sick of the stagnation caused by the excessive government interference and go back to the Pubes, for the following twenty years, our children will suffer the tax burden of all the programs the libs implement during their rein because the Pubes will not be able to get rid of those programs on account of filibustering.

If you want to be free, you have to let others be free-- including the rich.

You want America to be better? Eliminate government spending as much as practical.

[Lincolnian]

Originally Posted by Humanoid

If the current republican party had to rely on the people that actually benefited from its policies they would never get elected. I think its rather interesting from a strategic point of view that they have gotten so many people to vote against their economic best interest by creating side issues that really don't matter to focus on instead.

The strategy has worked brilliantly, but its a bit surprising that it has worked so well. Why are so many people willing to vote against their best interest?

There's a lot of truth in this statement. Exactly the point I made at a recent local GOP town committee meeting. We're being given marching orders to protect the interests of GOP beneficiaries that don't even bother to lift a finger to remedy the problems.

You've got multi-millionaires who are not spreading the wealth as "the most productive members of society" instead charging the $40 to $60k machinists and office workers to act as their minions by going out there to fight the union boogie monsters (you know the real group responsible for the recent downfall of America), municipal workers, teachers, and all the other people supposedly responsible for bleeding America.

As a traditional Lincoln/TR Republican who believes in adequate regulation that protects national interests, believes that the Constitution is not a document written only for the privileged class, and holds great disdain for people who take advantage of their position in life to manipulate the system for their own personal gain above all others, I find the GOP policies of the past 20 years to be an insult to the fundamental principles of the Republican Party, traditionally, a party that abhorred immoral and corrupt behavior.

[kpoeppel]

To the original poster,

Is it possible that some things are more important to people than money? Or, more specifically, is it possible that some things are more important than getting someone else's money?

[Humanoid]

Originally Posted by kpoeppel

To the original poster,

Is it possible that some things are more important to people than money? Or, more specifically, is it possible that some things are more important than getting someone else's money?

Getting someone else's money? huh? Oh is this part of the "Obama is a socialist" , despite the fact that we've had a progressive tax system since the vast majority of us have been alive?

This has nothing to do with "getting someone else's money". Rather, that Republicans have over the last two decades or so implemented policies that favor the wealthy while damaging the middle class. The ideas stated most recently by McCain are just more of the same. I can't think of a single thing he wants to do that will help the the middle class grow again. Well,

Now, well if someone cares more about what Jim and Steve are doing in the privacy of their own home than the well being of their family....I suggest they need help.