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Old 10-21-2008, 06:47 PM
 
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That's the same info from the CIA website I first posted.....

Look I'm, not saying yours is not lower. They way you make it out was the US has every other baby dying while the UK hardly ever sees one because of universal health care. That's not the case. The US was ranked 181 of 222. The UK is ranked 193 of 222. If our system is so horrible as you are using one small section of the overall health system to determine that (infant mortality rates which I find ironic because of the whole abortion thing but am not going to argue that here) we are horrible.

We have 5 times the people you do but 40 times the land mass. That creates some absolutely horrible conditions for government run systems. When they governement has to cut beds to raise efficiencies it doesn't have a heart or a care why you may need them .
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Old 10-21-2008, 07:14 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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I'm not saying that the American doctors etc are bad. Just that so many assume that a UHC means bad health systems, it doesn't
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Old 10-21-2008, 07:17 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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I find that any system has its faults. But would be great if every American Citizen could get health care. Worrying about not having health care can bring people down. Stops them from doing what they really need to do and concentrate on jobs etc
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Old 10-21-2008, 07:25 PM
 
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Now picture that with a million people a year coming over your border. Then picture what an incentive it will be for even more. The whole idea will destroy us. Fix medicare first is my opinion and seal up the borders.
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Old 10-21-2008, 07:37 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Seal the Borders and concentrate on American citizens
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Old 10-21-2008, 07:52 PM
 
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I find that any system has its faults. But would be great if every American Citizen could get health care. Worrying about not having health care can bring people down. Stops them from doing what they really need to do and concentrate on jobs etc
Forcing a person to pay for something they really don't want can bring people down. I don't think abridging the freedom of one group for the benefit of another is the right thing to do... especially when our brush with socialism-- Social Security and Medicare-- is already so expensive and failing.

We have seen that socialism doesn't work. No more.
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Old 10-21-2008, 08:00 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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You mean the freedom to have health care or should i say the lack of freedom to have health care.
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Old 10-21-2008, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Forcing a person to pay for something they really don't want can bring people down. I don't think abridging the freedom of one group for the benefit of another is the right thing to do... especially when our brush with socialism-- Social Security and Medicare-- is already so expensive and failing.

We have seen that socialism doesn't work. No more.

The Right Wingers rail about Social Security without also wanting to be reminded about the FAILURE of the capitalist elites known as the Great Depression. We wouldn't be "burdened" with the former if it weren't for the latter.
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Old 10-21-2008, 09:09 PM
 
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You mean the freedom to have health care or should i say the lack of freedom to have health care.
As a classic liberal, you'd say it in the former. As a communist, you'd say it in the latter... because only socialists/communists think freedom means burdening others with their wants.

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The Right Wingers rail about Social Security without also wanting to be reminded about the FAILURE of the capitalist elites known as the Great Depression.
My research has lead me to believe that average people speculating on the stock market and land in CA were the primary contributors to the crash and then a drought deepened and extended the issue.

Do you have a reference that supports your position? (Unless, of course, you're saying that the cause of the Great Depression was Americans exercising their freedom, therefore, freedom is bad.)

Anyway, the big difference is that during the Great Depression, you could put up shop and work without the government raping you. With Social Security, I have a 17% albatross around my neck, courtesy of the government to overcome.

Social Security (and MC) make it so that almost eight hours of a 40 work week is used to pay for a socialist system that isn't mine. We're all raped for 17% of our income-- and that's not enough to support it!-- and you think the conscious rape of my generation is comparable to a generation that invested badly?

You're wacky.
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Old 10-21-2008, 10:03 PM
 
Location: pittsburgh
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isnt socialism another way of saying that the public at large is to stupid to know whats good for them.
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