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Old 11-08-2008, 12:43 AM
 
Location: Where the light shines
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I was patriot,-when patriot wasn't cool
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Old 11-08-2008, 12:58 AM
 
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There is no patriotism in "My Country, Right or Wrong!" There is only the most servile sort of mindless nationalism. Those who are not willing to criticize their country are not willing to defend it.
I would be curious as to whether those of the more negative persuasion ever served their country in the military, the peace corp, or for that matter, any service organization, Lions Club, Rotary Club, Kiwanis, Toys for Tots. Perhaps some people think the greatest of service is lip service to untenable idealism or perhaps to no service at all other than themselves.
Criticizing ones country, or criticizing anything for that matter, is not the best way to defend anything. Criticizing a splotch on the wall won't change the splotch you have to paint over it,- or maybe even paint the entire wall. That of course involves work, not staring at it and pointing a finger.
My country," right or wrong ", beats hell out of "my country tis of me."
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Old 11-08-2008, 01:10 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Saw Seattle news stories about people all over the place buying and displaying American flags. Some of the people in the stories say they're now proud of their country. You see, this is an example of fairweather fans. They aren't patriots. You see, an American patriot loves his country no matter who is elected to the office of president. Love of country isn't suppose to one political office and the person who holds that office. The love of country has to do with our freedoms and our system of government. It's not about which political party holds the White House.
Italics added. If one party's main drive is to destroy our freedoms (PATRIOT Act, Military Commissions Act, NSA spying, torture, illegal wars etc.), it's ridiculous to pretend that the party in power is irrelevant. Not necessarily to whether you love your country as such, but whether you choose to exercise public displays of national pride.
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Old 11-08-2008, 07:11 AM
 
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To do so in order to hold a registration drive for the Communist party isn't American.
Really? Communists don't enjoy the protections of say the 1st and 14th Amendments? Are they the only ones, or are their more people on your exclusionary list?
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Old 11-08-2008, 07:13 AM
 
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I still enjoy being the greatest superpower on the planet.
You can thank a socialist for that...
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Old 11-08-2008, 07:23 AM
 
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I would be curious as to whether those of the more negative persuasion ever served their country in the military, the peace corp, or for that matter, any service organization, Lions Club, Rotary Club, Kiwanis, Toys for Tots.
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Perhaps some people think the greatest of service is lip service to untenable idealism or perhaps to no service at all other than themselves.
Perhaps some people think the introduction of irrelevant stereotypes constitutes a valid form of argument.
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Old 11-08-2008, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Criticizing a splotch on the wall won't change the splotch you have to paint over it,- or maybe even paint the entire wall. That of course involves work, not staring at it and pointing a finger.
Remaining in denial that there is a splotch on the wall, or that the wall could ever be splotched, unlike all those other clearly inferior walls in the rest of the world, will not get the wall clean either.
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Old 11-08-2008, 07:45 AM
 
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Saw Seattle news stories about people all over the place buying and displaying American flags. Some of the people in the stories say they're now proud of their country. You see, this is an example of fairweather fans. They aren't patriots. You see, an American patriot loves his country no matter who is elected to the office of president. Love of country isn't suppose to one political office and the person who holds that office. The love of country has to do with our freedoms and our system of government. It's not about which political party holds the White House. I don't like Obama but I'll still put out my American flag on Flag day, Veterans Day, Independence Day, and Memorial Day just like I always do.
I never got that. The flag is not a representation of the current person in office, it is a symbol of the things to which our country stands. I mean, the pledge specifically mentions this very fact.

People are not pledging to the current administration, to the policies of any party, but rather to the core foundations to which this nation stands, its purpose of freedom and its belief in liberty.

The flag would mean the same thing even if a person got in office that disrespected it and attempted to change these principals. The flag is an ideal, a representation of a concept to which we all attempt to strive for. I find it odd that people view it differently than that and defame it when they are not happy with the government and then attempt to wave it around like they support it when they are.

I support the flag "to which it stands" at all times, in all hardships, in all disagreements and personally take offense to those who only do so when it is convenient to them.
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Old 11-08-2008, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Somebody please enlighten me. What are the patriotic responsibilities of citizenship?

Be careful to make sure that your answer will apply equally to people from America, Mexico, Iran, China, Zimbbwe, Venezuela. What is every citizen of every country obliged to do out of patriotixm?
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Old 11-08-2008, 07:57 AM
 
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Somebody please enlighten me. What are the patriotic responsibilities of citizenship?

Be careful to make sure that your answer will apply equally to people from America, Mexico, Iran, China, Zimbbwe, Venezuela. What is every citizen of every country obliged to do out of patriotixm?
Many countries are different and their governments established often have different concepts to which they stand. Ours is the support of freedom, liberty, and justice for all under the banner of a Republic to which those principals are protected and sought.
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