Why people have a right to healthcare (United States, liberals, Representatives)

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by oz in SC

Lets say waste and fraud accounts for 50% of the current amount spent per year by Americans on healthcare....

So that leaves $2 trillion needed PLUS add in the other 47 million people who weren't paying in....

How much would each and every person in the USA be required to pay to have the current level of care?

under 50% waste, its $24,000 per family of 4.. or $6,000 per person. roughly

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by Greatday

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PERIOD..

[oz in SC]

Originally Posted by pghquest

under 50% waste, its $24,000 per family of 4.. or $6,000 per person. roughly

So there we go....every person to have healthcare privdied to them must pay $6000 a year...

Or $115 a week per person.

This would be for a system that in similar to what most Americans have now...which I believe has a co-pay and normally a deductible.

So,those in favor please respond....

[Artliquide]

Originally Posted by pghquest

Someone here quoted the amount of waste at 30%, a figure I believe to be high, but lets just assume its correct.

That means that the average family, instead of coming up with $48,000 needs to come up with $33,600. How many people have $33,600 a year to pay EXTRA in taxes? Probably none of us here on the forums..

In addition, what if the waste goes up? Not down? After all, all the government does is contract with Blue Cross/Shield for example to insure medicade and medicare recipients.. the government doesnt insure or pay these bills at all.

Under the proposed system, these insurance companies would then HAVE to donate to politicians campaigns in order to even attempt to bid on contracts. If you dont believe me, then explain why Hillary has received more cash from insurance companies then any other candidate.. (almost twice the amount of any other candidate)..

You want to talk about special interest groups.. get a special interest groups that controls $4 TRILLION dollars a year.. larger then the current budget of the federal government.

It's about time we start holding the government responsible for overspending our tax dollars anyway. They think they can just take all of our money and give their buddy the contractor a nice salary? I think we need to challenge that in general.

Accountability. We, the people, should be keeping our government in check a bit more when it comes to overspending. Think of all the programs we wouldn't be fighting about on here if they were just run a bit more efficiently (ie: not wasting our money all over the place).

As for the 30% waste, I believe it. As I stated earlier, I received so many bills for one event (having a kid). I wonder how many people it took to print out 6 bills for a less than 48 hour hospital stay?

[Artliquide]

Originally Posted by oz in SC

So there we go....every person to have healthcare privdied to them must pay $6000 a year...

Or $115 a week per person.

This would be for a system that in similar to what most Americans have now...which I believe has a co-pay and normally a deductible.

So,those in favor please respond....

I'd like to see some solid figures based on empirical data (statistics collected by a research group) before I take that figure as fact.

[oz in SC]

$4 trillion a year spent by americans on healthcare.

We are being VERY generous and halving the amount to $2 trillion.

There are 300 million or so Americans.

Divide $2 trillion by 300 million.

Voila.

By the way,I didn't do the math as all those zeros get too confusing..

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by Artliquide

I'd like to see some solid figures based on empirical data (statistics collected by a research group) before I take that figure as fact.

Considering that its made up based upon a made up % wasted.. its far from fact. Totally bogus because 50% isnt wasted..

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by oz in SC

$4 trillion a year spent by americans on healthcare.

We are being VERY generous and halving the amount to $2 trillion.

There are 300 million or so Americans.

Divide $2 trillion by 300 million.

Voila.

By the way,I didn't do the math as all those zeros get too confusing..

Well if we could divide $4 trillion in half, perhase we might have a healthcare 'crisis" to begin with..

[Artliquide]

Originally Posted by oz in SC

$4 trillion a year spent by americans on healthcare.

We are being VERY generous and halving the amount to $2 trillion.

There are 300 million or so Americans.

Divide $2 trillion by 300 million.

Voila.

By the way,I didn't do the math as all those zeros get too confusing..

Still too vague. I want real numbers, real data, not an assumption.

[Greatday]

You guys are posting purely hypothecial numbers inasmuch as there are over 300 million people in this country and the amount of dollars needed are basically incaluable