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Those methods are not used to extract information, but rather a form of punishment for a crime. Also, the punishment is in the context of prisoners of war, not citizens.
Torture attempts to utilize one or more methods repeatedly until the task succeeds or the tortured gives up unreliable information in an effort to stop the abuse.
Now, we'll ask again...can you name a soverign nation that uses torture?
Yes. Like the time we rounded up all the Japanese we could find and put them in camps.
Reagan apologized for this. Apologies usually imply you won't repeat the action.
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Or how about the time we dropped a few atomic bombs on a couple of cities.
Truman made a difficult decision, but notice that Americans were supportive of it. Might've taught the slimy politician calling himself President a thing or two.
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Or maybe when we reduced cities in Germany to rubble.
Precision bombs were hard to come by back then.
We are by far much more civilized than we used to be.
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And all that happened way, way before the last eight years!
Also note the story on how we whined about waterboarding when the Japs did it in ww2. Why do you love imperial Japan and hate America so much?
In the 3 cases where terrorists were waterboarded, it worked each and every time. We obtained valuable information that saved lives. I have no problem whatsoever with it.
I'm quite certain that story is false, or you're listening to gubmint propoganda.
Really? It is a fact it was used on Khalid Mohammed (you know, the 9/11 mastermind), and two other top leaders of AQ.
Of course you would be reticent to believe that any information was obtained that happened to save lives - just another way the Left-wing kooks dismiss the danger.
Why believe government agents when you can believe your heros of AQ instead.
In the 3 cases where terrorists were waterboarded, it worked each and every time. We obtained valuable information that saved lives. I have no problem whatsoever with it.
3 cases? You mean in one afternoon, right? I have heard the testimony of many people who were tortured in this manner solely to extract confessions to things they hadn't done. They were just ordinary citizens going about their business who were picked up in sweeps. In all of those cases "waterboarding" was done in conjunction with other forms of torture, and the individual suffered permanent physical injuries. The Nazi's used a very similar form where they would hang their victims until they passed out from asphyxia, then let them down so they could revive, then hang them again. They could continue in this way for days. Not as good as our torturers though, they can go on for months. But the Nazi's did show us the way.
Really? It is a fact it was used on Khalid Mohammed (you know, the 9/11 mastermind), and two other top leaders of AQ.
Of course you would be reticent to believe that any information was obtained that happened to save lives - just another way the Left-wing kooks dismiss the danger.
Why believe government agents when you can believe your heros of AQ instead.
The last person in the world who will have access to torture files is some Joe Six Pack.
Really? It is a fact it was used on Khalid Mohammed (you know, the 9/11 mastermind), and two other top leaders of AQ.
Of course you would be reticent to believe that any information was obtained that happened to save lives - just another way the Left-wing kooks dismiss the danger.
Why believe government agents when you can believe your heros of AQ instead.
Why don't you believe Donald Rumsfelds working group conclusions then?
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research by the CIA and former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld’s working group on counterresistance interrogations—demonstrates the inefficacy of torture.
# Despite the evidence, “antiabolitionist†bioethicists remain who rely on the discredited “ticking time bomb†argument to support their position.
# Given its inefficacy, the moral challenges to torture are overwhelming. It not only leads to the abuse of innocent or ignorant persons, but also undermines civil society.
Then again, its not like science or empirical evidence ever played a role in your reasoning.
Really? It is a fact it was used on Khalid Mohammed (you know, the 9/11 mastermind), and two other top leaders of AQ.
Of course you would be reticent to believe that any information was obtained that happened to save lives - just another way the Left-wing kooks dismiss the danger.
Why believe government agents when you can believe your heros of AQ instead.
Just call me a right wing kook then War is a liberal philosophy, ask Truman, LBJ, or Bush Jr., all patently liberal.
KM might've been waterboarded, but no one knows if the information was reliable or if he gave it up as a result of that or of proper interrogation methods like sleep deprevation. But, if you want to believe your benevolent gubmint, by all means...
Also, Truman was a lunatic:
"If we see that Germany is winning we ought to help Russia and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany, and that way let them kill as many as possible, although I don't want to see Hitler victorious under any circumstances. Neither of them thinks anything of their pledged word."
You can not "more or less drown". You either drown or you don't. That's like being a little bit pregnant. Water boarding gives the person the feel that they are drowning, but they are not and can not from water boarding.
Treaties are established to ensure humane treatment. Our people could easily be on the other side. Would you be fine then if they are subjected to same practice?
How in the world could you then, with a straight face, call for war crime against those who might use the practice against our own people? Or, would you simply turn a blind eye and accept things as they are?
Treaties are established to ensure humane treatment. Our people could easily be on the other side. Would you be fine then if they are subjected to same practice?
How in the world could you then, with a straight face, call for war crime against those who might use the practice against our own people? Or, would you simply turn a blind eye and accept things as they are?
Ridiculous.
You're asking them to look at the issue as if the shoe were on the other foot?
They don't have the mental capacity for it.
....American exceptionalism all the way baby!
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War is a liberal philosophy, ask Truman, LBJ, or Bush Jr., all patently liberal.
