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Old 02-08-2009, 05:13 PM
 
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The reason why your response is such an emotional cry full of nonsense is because the OP introduced politics and religion to this thread. Once these things become the issues, humans and animals lose their value in the dialog process. One does not have to be a Republican, Democrat, non-declared, right or left winger, communist, or a socialist to love or to hate animals.

The wolf control programs in Alaska and Canada are conducted to boost the game populations, and only in areas where the wolves are so numerous that the game populations are being decimated. By reducing the number of wolves, the game populations (moose, caribou, and other game animals) increase in number. Once the game population bounces back, the wolf packs left behind thrive. A few years later, the wolf packs are again killing everything in sight, and another wolf control program begins to reduce their number. Nobody in Alaska and Canada wants to exterminate the wolves, the moose, the caribou, bears, etc. And no, nature does not balance itself like some of you have said. The way it is in the wilderness of Alaska is as follows: eat or be eaten. It means that the most cunning of predators will eat the rest, and themselves when there isn't food to eat. It's up to the humans in Alaska to balance the fish, game, and predators structure in accordance with the Alaska Constitution. These programs, both in Alaska and Canada, are conducted in the most efficient and humane way possible.

And yes, there is pain, love, and hate all around us. Before some of you judge what is done in Alaska (or Canada) in relation to predators and pray, look at your own: your family, friends, neighbors, city, animal shelters, and abortion clinics. Don't you see or are aware of child abuse, runaway children, child pornography, sex-slave trade, incest, murder, gang war, and all kinds of things all around you? Plants may not feel pain, but plants are still alive before we devour them. According to some scientists, fish don't feel pain, but I know very well how they react when I catch them (they want to get away from me). And when you chump on a Big Mac, a cow was killed somewhere.
In fact, the wolf population has relatively little impact on the game population of Alaska.
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Old 02-08-2009, 05:24 PM
 
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I just love the liberals and the "leaf-lickers" who think that the predator and their prey will just live in a happy balance with no need for human intervention.

Yeah, like the wolf or the bear will NOT prey on the caribou until none remain.

Why can't they all just get along?
For the last time: The wolf is NOT a threat to the caribou population. There isn't a caribou expert in the entire U.S. who claims that. It's political bull****, circulated by politicians and hunters. There is so much misinformation circulated on this thread, it's stunning.

Questions and Answers About Aerial Wolf Control in Alaska

Alaska's Studied Wolf Pack Threatened (washingtonpost.com)

Not that you or anybody will bother reading either of these links. But perhaps someone reading this thread, who is actually interested in having an INFORMED opinion on the issue, will be interested.
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Old 02-08-2009, 05:29 PM
 
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Why? Cause I quite enjoy my med rare steaks, and deer jerky and grilled chicken. Not to mention my leather items, as well as my few fur pieces, and my hunting license.

If animals were given rights, I couldn't have those things. Sorry, but when it comes to me and mine, or animals; I take care of me and mine.
Yeah. I guess that's because it's not YOU who's being anally electrocuted so that YOUR skin can be worn by someone else. Wearing fur from a humane killed animal because there is no alternative is one thing. Wearing bought fur because you "like" it, regardless of the brutality against the animal, makes you spiritually and morally bankrupt.
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Old 02-08-2009, 05:31 PM
 
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Why not?

Opposable thumbs and larger grey matter.
Meaningless statement. Completely illogical.

"I'm more important because I have opposable thumbs and I'm (debatably, in your case) smarter."

Same structure of logic as:

"I'm superior because I'm a man."

"I'm superior because I'm white."

It's called a "tautological" response. Circular logic. Meaningless.
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Old 02-08-2009, 05:31 PM
 
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For the last time: The wolf is NOT a threat to the caribou population. There isn't a caribou expert in the entire U.S. who claims that. It's political bull****, circulated by politicians and hunters. There is so much misinformation circulated on this thread, it's stunning.

Questions and Answers About Aerial Wolf Control in Alaska

Alaska's Studied Wolf Pack Threatened (washingtonpost.com)

Not that you or anybody will bother reading either of these links. But perhaps someone reading this thread, who is actually interested in having an INFORMED opinion on the issue, will be interested.

Sorry--but Wolfsong isn't a credible source.

You know, you don't have to convince me that ariel predator control is just wrong.

What you have to convince me of is more complex than that.

You have to convince me that Alaska's best interests can be decided by urban liberals who have never even seen it.

Good luck now.
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Old 02-08-2009, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Southern California Mountains
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[quote=MovingForward;7380707]
"I'm superior because I'm white."quote]

Now let's make this a racial issue. That was a poor example, Proff.
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Old 02-08-2009, 05:37 PM
 
Location: On the Ohio River in Western, KY
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Yeah. I guess that's because it's not YOU who's being anally electrocuted so that YOUR skin can be worn by someone else. Wearing fur from a humane killed animal because there is no alternative is one thing. Wearing bought fur because you "like" it, regardless of the brutality against the animal, makes you spiritually and morally bankrupt.
Aww bless you little black heart!

Again son, since you didn't get it the first 3 times I said it, I wear the fur I PERSONALLY hunt and kill, I use as much if not ALL of the animals MYSELF (well for me and my family), so you logic is MORE than flawed when speaking to me of that crap; not to mention you are just ignorant of things of this nature, since you don't like like some of us do.

Some of us PREFER not to buy our food in a store, and hunt and grow it ourselves.

And for you to tell us we are wrong for that, is asinine and frankly quite F'in RUDE!
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Old 02-08-2009, 05:38 PM
 
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Sorry--but Wolfsong isn't a credible source.

You know, you don't have to convince me that ariel predator control is just wrong.

What you have to convince me of is more complex than that.

You have to convince me that Alaska's best interests can be decided by urban liberals who have never even seen it.

Good luck now.
According to you, Wolfsong isn't a credible source. I guess the Washington Post isn't, either?

I don't have to convince you of anything. Living in Alaska doesn't make someone an expert on Alaskan wildlife, any more than living in the Southwest makes one an expert on rattlesnakes. Furthermore, you don't own Alaska. As long as my tax dollars support Alaska, it belongs to me and every other American as much as it belongs to you. And the way Alaskan manage Alaska wildlife impacts everyone, ecologically. So it's not just YOUR land.

As for Alaskans v. "urban liberals": For the last time (and I realize this may be news to folks from Alaska): The "lower 48" is composed of 48 states, many of which have both rural people and places, and wolves.
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Old 02-08-2009, 05:40 PM
 
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Aww bless you little black heart!

Again son, since you didn't get it the first 3 times I said it, I wear the fur I PERSONALLY hunt and kill, I use as much if not ALL of the animals MYSELF (well for me and my family), so you logic is MORE than flawed when speaking to me of that crap; not to mention you are just ignorant of things of this nature, since you don't like like some of us do.

Some of us PREFER not to buy our food in a store, and hunt and grow it ourselves.

And for you to tell us we are wrong for that, is asinine and frankly quite F'in RUDE!
When did I say that hunting for one's own food is wrong?

I didn't see any other posts where you stated you personally wear fur from animals you hunt and kill.

I am not "ignorant of things of this nature." Stop making assumptions.
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Old 02-08-2009, 05:41 PM
 
Location: southern california
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i already did cost me money too but it worked.
i gota lot of unexpected help from SNL.
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