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Old 02-09-2009, 02:49 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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You might remember Hillarycare: A huge plan, prepared by Hillary and Bill Clinton during secret meetings between politicians, lawmakers, insurance companies... everybody EXCEPT doctors. A plan to nationalize the U.S. Health Care industry, it described a new Federal bureaucracy whose job was to decide who got what health care, which doctors you could see, what treatments you could and couldn't have, and what restrictions and penalties you would face if you didn't do health care the way the bureaucracy wanted you to.

Bill and Hillary published the entire plan in a book in 1993, describing their plans, what new crimes and jail sentence awaited patients or physicians who tried to "get around the system", pay cash for their treatment, etc.

Many people credit Hillarycare as the single biggest reason Democrats were thrown out of every majority in Congress (and most state governorships) the following year.

Well, now it's back. It's not called Hillarycare, of course. It merely recycles a large number of the things she tried to get done. Fellow leftist Tom Daschle is identified as the author this time.

Not long ago, Obama Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel said that a crisis like the current housing meltdown, was an opportunity to do things that the Democrats couldn't get done by other means. It's now becoming clear what he had in mind. Under the guise of "stimulating the economy", Hillary's old Univeral Health Care plan is being snuck into the gigantic "stimulus" bill.

Obama and many Congressional Democrats are insisting that there be little examination or debate of the bill, saying that we don't have the time to "bicker over details", and that the country desperately needs this stimulus bill NOW.

It's said that emergency conditions make for bad law.

The Democrats seem bent on raising that standard to a new height.

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Bloomberg.com: Opinion

Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan

Commentary by Betsy McCaughey

Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Republican Senators are questioning whether President Barack Obama’s stimulus bill contains the right mix of tax breaks and cash infusions to jump-start the economy.

Tragically, no one from either party is objecting to the health provisions slipped in without discussion. These provisions reflect the handiwork of Tom Daschle, until recently the nominee to head the Health and Human Services Department.

Senators should read these provisions and vote against them because they are dangerous to your health. (Page numbers refer to H.R. 1 EH, pdf version).

The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.

But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”

Keeping doctors informed of the newest medical findings is important, but enforcing uniformity goes too far.

New Penalties

Hospitals and doctors that are not “meaningful users” of the new system will face penalties. “Meaningful user” isn’t defined in the bill. That will be left to the HHS secretary, who will be empowered to impose “more stringent measures of meaningful use over time” (511, 518, 540-541)
What penalties will deter your doctor from going beyond the electronically delivered protocols when your condition is atypical or you need an experimental treatment? The vagueness is intentional. In his book, Daschle proposed an appointed body with vast powers to make the “tough” decisions elected politicians won’t make.

The stimulus bill does that, and calls it the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (190-192). The goal, Daschle’s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept “hopeless diagnoses” and “forgo experimental treatments,” and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.

Elderly Hardest Hit

Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.
Medicare now pays for treatments deemed safe and effective. The stimulus bill would change that and apply a cost- effectiveness standard set by the Federal Council (464).

The Federal Council is modeled after a U.K. board discussed in Daschle’s book. This board approves or rejects treatments using a formula that divides the cost of the treatment by the number of years the patient is likely to benefit. Treatments for younger patients are more often approved than treatments for diseases that affect the elderly, such as osteoporosis.

In 2006, a U.K. health board decreed that elderly patients with macular degeneration had to wait until they went blind in one eye before they could get a costly new drug to save the other eye. It took almost three years of public protests before the board reversed its decision.

Hidden Provisions

If the Obama administration’s economic stimulus bill passes the Senate in its current form, seniors in the U.S. will face similar rationing. Defenders of the system say that individuals benefit in younger years and sacrifice later.

The stimulus bill will affect every part of health care, from medical and nursing education, to how patients are treated and how much hospitals get paid. The bill allocates more funding for this bureaucracy than for the Army, Navy, Marines, and Air Force combined (90-92, 174-177, 181).

Hiding health legislation in a stimulus bill is intentional. Daschle supported the Clinton administration’s health-care overhaul in 1994, and attributed its failure to debate and delay. A year ago, Daschle wrote that the next president should act quickly before critics mount an opposition. “If that means attaching a health-care plan to the federal budget, so be it,” he said. “The issue is too important to be stalled by Senate protocol.”
More Scrutiny Needed

On Friday, President Obama called it “inexcusable and irresponsible” for senators to delay passing the stimulus bill. In truth, this bill needs more scrutiny.

The health-care industry is the largest employer in the U.S. It produces almost 17 percent of the nation’s gross domestic product. Yet the bill treats health care the way European governments do: as a cost problem instead of a growth industry. Imagine limiting growth and innovation in the electronics or auto industry during this downturn. This stimulus is dangerous to your health and the economy.
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Old 02-09-2009, 03:07 PM
 
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I work in the health industry and for a number of years the government has been cracking down on hospitals to decrease money spent on health care... and this has led to us rejecting treatments because it wasn't "cost-effective" (and by cost-effective, I mean the treatments help the patient but it is too costly)... if you didn't comply, you were eventually fired... patients eventually get more "personalized" services but less "medical" services... insurance industry also have their own scams as well and most physicians know them... I could write a book about it... but what's the point? Let the Americans do it to themselves if they really want... we will give them what they want... cheap care... just don't expect much from it... but they always do..
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Old 02-09-2009, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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The dems/libs and obama have used and abused this so-called stimulus bill to insert all kinds of big-government liberal programs. There is NOTHING stimulative about this bill and most people know it.

They are using fear-mongering and doomsday scenarios to try and convince the public it is a good bill.

Leave out all the programs that do not "stimulate".

They are treating it just like another budget spending bill, putting in all kinds of pork, waste and fraud.
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Old 02-09-2009, 03:57 PM
 
Location: New York City
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What we, as a people, need to do, is print out this bill and get as many people to READ it as possible! I had NO IDEA about this...seriously...I've been too busy "working" and trying to pay bills....just like the majority of Americans....so I didn't "bother" to read it. Well...I just read SOME of it and I am against it. I printed out the whole 700+ thing and plan to tell as MANY people as I can about this. Starting with my buddies on the bus ride home tonight....thank you OP....knowledge is power. I tell you, I learn more HERE than anywhere else about the current state of affairs LMAO how sad is that?
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Old 02-09-2009, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com...mamendment.pdf

Here; I seriously doubt many will have the stomach to read it, even though they need to. The dems/libs won't, cause this is exactly what they have been waiting for - big government takeover.

All kinds of things in this bill that are basically a wish list that the dem/libs have been holding on to until a dem gets in the WH.
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Old 02-09-2009, 04:16 PM
 
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The goal, Daschle’s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept “hopeless diagnoses” and “forgo experimental treatments,” and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.

What a terrific idea!

Let's not forget that childhood leukemia, congenital heart defects, TB, juvenile diabetes, pneumonic plague, cholera, congenital diaphragmatic hernia, hypoplastic left heart, kidney failure, liver failure and even something as routine as a ruptured appendix were once considered 'hopeless' cases. Prior to the advent of antibiotics, surgery, insulin, chemotherapy, radiation therapy, transplant surgery and anti-rejection drugs, antivirals etc., they indeed were.

'Experimental treatments' have brought us safe anesthetics and medications for pain control, cardiopulmonary bypass that allows us to perform open heart surgery, segmental and donor liver transplants, drugs to control ailments from high blood pressure to allergies, 'keyhole' laparoscopic surgery which patients recover from much more quickly, special beds to help prevent bedsores in the bedridden, IV fluids, cataract surgery so the elderly can remain active, surgery to repair cleft lips and palates, vaccines that have all but eliminated polio, etc.

I sure and glad daschle was not in charge of American medicine back in the 1800s and 1900s. We would probably still be dying of smallpox and yellow fever. What a horse's arse!
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Old 02-09-2009, 04:28 PM
 
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Well, she's talking about the first House version, plus she cites a book by Tom Daschle for most of her scare-tactic explanations.
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Old 02-09-2009, 04:39 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Well, she's talking about the first House version, plus she cites a book by Tom Daschle for most of her scare-tactic explanations.
"Scare tactics" (n): Facts cited by Republicans that Democrats didn't want the public to know about their plans.
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Old 02-09-2009, 05:03 PM
 
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"Scare tactics" (n): Facts cited by Republicans that Democrats didn't want the public to know about their plans.
The bill is online....dont know if the health section of the version she's talking about - first House version - has been amended.

Here's the most recent update (Feb 8) - pdf. http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com...mamendment.pdf

She couches her claims in inflammatory language - always a red flag, especially at a staid place like Bloomberg.

What bothered me most, though, was that she assures us the language in the bill is "virtually identical" to that in Daschle's book, but in her paraphrases and helpful explanations for us does she paraphrase - or even, God forbid, directly quote - the bill? No, she paraphrases Daschle's book.
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Old 02-09-2009, 05:10 PM
 
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I dont think the author mentions Hillary or Hillarycare or the Clinton health bill anywhere, or even that Daschle was inspired by the Clinton plan for his book. Maybe I just dont see it -?

What are the similarities in this bill to the Clinton plan?
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