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Old 03-29-2009, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Irvine, CA to Keller, TX
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Well, I have everything I need plus everything I want and I still have piles of money sitting around. What do those 0% people have? Who can more easily afford to give up say another $100 in taxes. I wouldn't notice it. For them, they can't make rent.


No "Queen for a Day", thanks. I manage to give quite a bit to the charities and other organizations that I think do important work, including the 501(c)(3) that I run myself. I don't think you'd qualify under any of my criteria.


Yes, and it goes to show the level of financial freedom that the top one-percenters that you so desperately want to protect are off enjoying while millions of others struggle every day. Your priorities are skewed.


Have at it if being confronted by the truth bothers you that much...
Well, I have everything I need plus everything I want and I still have piles of money sitting around. What do those 0% people have? Who can more easily afford to give up say another $100 in taxes. I wouldn't notice it. For them, they can't make rent.

You are far beyond hypocritical. With all the poor people suffering and you have piles of money laying around. Quite pathetic if you ask me.

Luke 12:48

But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
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Old 03-29-2009, 09:49 AM
 
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You have nothing to back that up.. just silly rhetoric. We're actually having a decent debate here and then you guys resort to this nonsense.


Here are some FACTS! To support my claim..........

But the idea that liberals give more is a myth. Of the top 25 states where people give an above-average percentage of their income, all but one (Maryland) were red -- conservative -- states in the last presidential election.

"When you look at the data," says Syracuse University professor Arthur Brooks, "it turns out the conservatives give about 30 percent more. And incidentally, conservative-headed families make slightly less money."

"The people who give one thing tend to be the people who give everything in America. You find that people who believe it's the government's job to make incomes more equal, are far less likely to give their money away."



http://townhall.com/columnists/JohnStossel/2006/12/06/who_gives_to_charity




"Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism." The surprise is that liberals are markedly less charitable than conservatives.

Although liberal families' incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average,
30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227).

-- Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.


-- Residents of the states that voted for John Kerry in 2004 gave smaller percentages of their incomes to charity than did residents of states that voted for George Bush.


-- Bush carried 24 of the 25 states where charitable giving was above average.


-- In the 10 reddest states, in which Bush got more than 60 percent majorities, the average percentage of personal income donated to charity was 3.5.


Residents of the bluest states, which gave Bush less than 40 percent, donated just 1.9 percent.





http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html
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Old 03-29-2009, 09:54 AM
 
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Of course, ALL those figures ignore the main support for the poor:

State-run social programs, which the so-called "Red" states allocate the less towards.

And, long as we're truthful, Bush lost in 2000 (appointed by USSC), and in 2004 when he stole Ohio by massive voter disenfranchisement.
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Old 03-29-2009, 09:55 AM
 
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There was some outrage over $12 billion a month in Iraq. These budgets spend $10 billion a day, everyday.

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Old 03-29-2009, 10:25 AM
 
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http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/06in31mt.xls

AGI for $200k and up (not even a total of 1 million people in those brackets):
$222,534,248,000
$49,405,283,000
$16,075,792,000
$8,090,994,000
$21,106,639,000
$6,540,607,000
$7,246,632,000
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Around $331,000,000,000

Total for all brackets is $ 4,083,327,222,000

Take all of those peoples money, every bit of it. You'll still need a lot more than that to meet the presidents ideology. What I also find funny when looking at those tables is the non existent middle class liberals constantly whine about. From $30k - $200k their AGI is over $3.1 trillion. As long as we're truthful of course.

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Old 03-29-2009, 10:59 AM
 
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http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/06in31mt.xls

AGI for $200k and up (not even a total of 1 million people in those brackets):
$222,534,248,000
$49,405,283,000
$16,075,792,000
$8,090,994,000
$21,106,639,000
$6,540,607,000
$7,246,632,000
_________________
Around $331,000,000,000

Total for all brackets is $ 4,083,327,222,000

Take all of those peoples money, every bit of it. You'll still need a lot more than that to meet the presidents ideology. What I also find funny when looking at those tables is the non existent middle class liberals constantly whine about. From $30k - $200k their AGI is over $3.1 trillion. As long as we're truthful of course.

Don't start interjecting facts into this debate - the Democrats hate facts!
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Old 03-29-2009, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Irvine, CA to Keller, TX
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Don't start interjecting facts into this debate - the Democrats hate facts!
It is not so much that they hate facts. It is just that facts make their heads spin and stomachs ache.
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Old 03-29-2009, 11:11 AM
 
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if we want to make things more equal like the democrats always want to, we should be taxing the poor more and the rich less.

this is a good time to repeal the 16th Amendment and go with a flat tax, so it effects each and every citizen, illegal and visitor the same.

This is one democrat that may be included to agree with you. I pisses me off when i hear someone brag about how much money they got back during tax time. Someone who only pays maybe 3K in federal taxes gets back $6K. I just don't get it and never will.

Again where i have a problem with the President is, the focus during the campaign has always been on the middle class, however for single person there is a cap of $75K annual. Sorry, but that is not middle class.
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Old 03-29-2009, 11:24 AM
 
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Don't start interjecting facts into this debate - the Democrats hate facts!
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It is not so much that they hate facts. It is just that facts make their heads spin and stomachs ache.
Silly statements of this type make it clear that some posters care more about partisan bickering and slinging insults than the facts. It's sad that people don't seem to realize they instantly lose all credibility in what could be an interesting debate. It's so childish.
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Old 03-29-2009, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Charleston, WV
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not being aware of how credit works. (I thought NOT having any lines of credit.. or no CC,w as a good thing.. I was wrong. )
Yea, I have tried to teach my boys you need a credit card to help establish credit but don't rely on it and be sure to pay it off each month.

Here's the crazy the whole credit thing is: even when I had no money I've always been uber-hyper about paying my bills, etc. Have gotten to the point where we have excellent credit but you know what is a strike against us that lowers our score a little? The fact that we have no mortgage. We have 2 houses paid off but for the credit rating companies not having a mortgage is a bad thing. Crazy!!
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