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We live in a country where we have the money to give people who can't afford it (medicaid) free health care but what about countries such as Afghanistan or some country in sub-Saharan Africa? They don't have the resources to give free health care, so how is it a 'right'?
My insurance sucks and I dislike the health care system we have in this country... but I don't understand how it's a 'right'.
Prosecutions are more due to negligence or religious beleifs. If there is no money, there is always the emergency room - everyone knows that.
And that is a bare-bones stopgap, not a solution. Emergency room care is just that - for traumatic emergencies. Not what should be routine, preventive care, which is the most important, and which is the most unavailable on a daily, per-person basis.
And that is a bare-bones stopgap, not a solution. Emergency room care is just that - for traumatic emergencies. Not what should be routine, preventive care, which is the most important, and which is the most unavailable on a daily, per-person basis.
Routine preventative care is available for free. Schools give free shots to kids before school starts. The sad part is many parents don't bother to bring them down and get the shots and then cry and scream the first day of school when Johnny is sent home because his shots are not up to date.
I've seen this based on volunteering in school. Same with the free breakfast/lunch in school..all they need to do is fill out the form..yet they don't bother.
And that is a bare-bones stopgap, not a solution. Emergency room care is just that - for traumatic emergencies. Not what should be routine, preventive care, which is the most important, and which is the most unavailable on a daily, per-person basis.
I agree (see post 56) the system sucks. But this does not make healthcare a right.
Agree with Post #64. Plus, you will get a bill for the ER care, and they will threaten to ruin your credit rating if you don't pay it. It happened to us, and it turned out the hospital was wrong about us owing them $50, they actually owed us $75 due to an overpayment on our part.
This notion that "there's always the ER" is quite a bit of fiction the anti-UHC people are perpetrating. In reality, you don't get regular care at an ER.
Routine preventative care is available for free. Schools give free shots to kids before school starts. The sad part is many parents don't bother to bring them down and get the shots and then cry and scream the first day of school when Johnny is sent home because his shots are not up to date.
I've seen this based on volunteering in school. Same with the free breakfast/lunch in school..all they need to do is fill out the form..yet they don't bother.
This is even a bigger fiction than the ER. Some places may give free shots before school starts, but it's probably NOT the school that's giving them, it's the health department. And WHO do you think is paying for the vaccine, the supplies, and the nurses to give the vaccines? It's the government, my friend! Even if it were the schools, that is govt. funding, too. They are not always free, either. The health dept. I worked for charged $15/shot some years ago. No one was turned away due to inability to pay, but we did try to collect the money. Not to mention, that is not really preventive "health care" in the sense of doing a physical on the child!
They are not silly. There are lots of advantages to your health that money can buy that don't involve the health care you are talking about. The ability to live in a safer neighborhood, for example. Or to live farther from pollution or crowded situations that breed disease.
Where do you draw the line?
You troll around here with your sob story all the time and frankly the solution is not overhauling the entire system. Because there will always be one more problem whose solution is just out of reach.
Health care does not become a right just b/c you have problems accessing it.
You fail to comprehend the basics STAN..
health CAN be improved with excercise.. well duh! BUT if you DON't excercise it won't immediately lead to your death.
You can ALSO make your OWN excerciese. No money is needed to get that proper excercise AND an excess of money beyond the groceries you buy is not needed in order to EAT properly.
If I could manufacture my own insulin , however, i would.. but the fact ramains that I can't..
A persons worth should not be determined by how much money they make.. and I'm not any less worthy than you because I happen to not be able to afford access to healthcare making it hard to afford access.
Social Darwism is dead in the modern age... I suppose when they build a time machine you can go back in time and practice such principles.. but in modern day and age we have grown beyond such rough policies.
I suppose you are okay with the fact that a young woman died of Lupus that could have otherwise been managed leading her to lead a full life, but because she couldn't purchase affordable healthcare and had trouble with employment as a result of her declining health (again due to trouble accesing healthcare) had died as a result.. NEEDLESSLY? Very sad.
watch out Stan.. someone YOU love may fall into the same situation.. or you may fall into that same situation... and then they will be a victim of the system and be told they are not worthy because they happen to be in a career that is not a big money maker!
Last edited by TristansMommy; 04-04-2009 at 04:25 PM..
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