Troops in Open Revolt Over Obama Iraq Visit. (Reed, solutions, Saddam)
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I guess you weren't around back in 2004 and 2005, huh? Troop haters were very numerous from the left and I am sure many of those on this thread were around hating them back then. Get real.
Well, that's a bunch of BS. You seriously know what's going on in the heads of the soldiers that you claim to love so dearly? I highly doubt it. You know how many suicides these soldiers have committed? Why didn't those loved ones know about that, huh? How come so many people thought that these soldiers that came home were "ok"? Don't tell us that you know what happens in their heads, you have no idea. And if you're about to spout that you too were a veteran, I still call bull. Every person deals w/stress in a different way.
I only "know what's going in the heads of the soldiers" because they're my family and I talk to them and their colleagues/friends, and not because I claim any special powers or knowledge. Where did I mention anything about stress? Where did I say anything about being "OK" or not OK? Do you make this stuff up on purpose or can you just not read?
What I said...quite clearly too...is that saying that the troops want to come home is obvious. Any rational person would prefer to be home with their family than fighting a war. What I also said is that they do it day in and day out because that's what they signed up to do, and the vast majority do not believe that they've been wronged in some way by the former President.
Now you can disagree with my statement, but I've actually discussed this with officers and enlisted men/women who have been to and served in Iraq. I call BS on you, and I would bet you not only have never discussed it with a soldier, sailor, airman, or marine, but you don't even know any with whom you could discuss it. Am I right?
I guess you weren't around back in 2004 and 2005, huh? Troop haters were very numerous from the left and I am sure many of those on this thread were around hating them back then. Get real.
Let's try to put this in perspective, shall we? Now, when you say "the left" hate the military, what do you mean exactly? Because I can explain it to you.
I guess you weren't around back in 2004 and 2005, huh? Troop haters were very numerous from the left and I am sure many of those on this thread were around hating them back then. Get real.
Troop haters? Ummm, no; anti-war folks, yeah. Millions of them throughout the world.
Troop haters are those who start wars because "he tried to kill my daddy" and let over 4.3k die, over 30k be seriously wounded ad have no remorse.
Well, I don't know.. Some of you persist in telling us that because we're against the war, we're against the soldiers. Grab a clue Siegfried. It's like this...some of us don't appreciate being in a war that means nothing. That also connects to the fact that we don't appreciate having our boys/ladies in uniform overseas in a dead end situation when they could be doing a better more conducive job somewhere else. Now, how that equated to "WE HATE THE TROOPS!! WE THINK THEY'RE ALL *******S! WE WISH THEY WERE DEAD!!", well, I'll never know. But, ya know, some of ya like to put your own voices that you hear into other people's mouths.
Suicides in the military are above the national average of suicide rates. It doesnt take alot of education to determine the reasons that suicides are high. Repeated exposure to guerrilla warfare added to lfes problems are a heavy load to bear. Add in the fact that soldiers sometimes receive sub standard medical evaluations and care for PTSD, to include misdiagnosis ("personality disorder") or pressure to keep quiet about their problems and a high suicide rate is not surprising. It's another cost largely shielded from public view, as well. Like so many others.
You're right, it doesn't take a lot of education, but it does take thinking about it a little, and looking beyond the so-called "obvious" explanations. Such as the fact that males have considerably higher suicide rates than females. And young adults have a higher suicide rate than older adults. And the military is predominantly comprised of young adult males. And so maybe it would do well to do an apples-to-apples comparison to get a full understanding of the scope of the problem. When you do, you find the suicide rate of military personnel is actually lower than that of people in comparable demographics in the general population.
Rising suicide rates in the military are an issue that need to be dealt with. At the same time, understanding the scope of the problem is also important, and I'm starting to tire of seeing the lies masquarading as statistics being spread by people with an agenda and accepted and passed along by other people without question.
I guess you weren't around back in 2004 and 2005, huh? Troop haters were very numerous from the left and I am sure many of those on this thread were around hating them back then. Get real.
I said "on this thread". No one ON THIS THREAD, since it has been started, has said anything negative about the troops that I can discern! This thread has nothing to do with 2004-2005, and I really don't know what you're talking about anyway. There hasn't been the antipathy towards the troops that there was during the war in Viet Nam.
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It would be interesting to show many who are praising Obama for this are the same ones who criticized Bush for doing the exact same thing.
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