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Old 04-17-2009, 03:59 PM
 
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Speaking publicly for one of the first times since the end of the presidential campaign, John McCain's campaign manager Steve Schmidt painted a dire portrait of the state of the Republican Party, arguing that the GOP has largely been co-opted by its religious elements.

"If you put public policy issues to a religious test, you risk becoming a religious party," Schmidt declared. "And in a free country, a political party cannot be viable in the long term if it is seen as a sectarian party."
Steve Schmidt, McCain Campaign Manager: Religion Could Kill The GOP

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Old 04-17-2009, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Glad to hear that someone in the R party is recognizing that fact. For a party that claims to be for smaller government and more individual control of their lives, the hard-core Christian right isn't the base you want. You can support and respect religion and those with religious beliefs without it becoming the primary plank of the party platform.

The Republican's support for restricting/outlawing abortion makes as little sense as many Dems support for restrictions on firearms owner's rights. Both are personal choices, the gov can stay the he!! out of it.
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Old 04-17-2009, 04:23 PM
 
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True but not using religion will take some time - a lot of their base loves religious/social wars.

Short-term, they will become more shrill as they are the new minority, but maybe, after a couple of more lost elections, they might come to their senses.
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Old 04-17-2009, 04:28 PM
 
Location: I currently exist only in a state of mind. one too complex for geographic location.
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religion is doing to do to the repubs what the environmentalists did to the democrat party. now they are both jokes.

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Old 04-17-2009, 04:38 PM
 
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Glad to hear that someone in the R party is recognizing that fact.
Republicans are gonna ditch christianity because is unpopular?

Bending over backwards just to get a few votes,
pretty sad.
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Old 04-17-2009, 04:44 PM
 
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religion is going to do to the repubs what the environmentalists did to the democrat party. now they are both jokes.
Exactly! The religious fundies just want to ban abortion and gay marriage nationally. Both those issues do not affect me in any way. However, the environmental fundies won't be satisfied until every American is living like cavemen in prehistoric times to "save the planet". I would rather have religious fundies in control then crazy environmentalists.
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Old 04-17-2009, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Downtown Los Angeles
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Exactly! The religious fundies just want to ban abortion and gay marriage nationally. Both those issues do not affect me in any way. However, the environmental fundies won't be satisfied until every American is living like cavemen in prehistoric times to "save the planet". I would rather have religious fundies in control then crazy environmentalists.
You are just being very short-sighted. The anti-abortion, anti-gay-marriage movements are not going to destroy our planet materially, but the way we live our lives without changing certainly will contribute to a decline of this planet's health. Your having nothing to do with abortion or gay marriage does not excuse you from being responsible for the well-being of the community. That's not about political parties. It's about your respect for the planet we all share, and the rest of the community.
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Old 04-17-2009, 05:22 PM
 
Location: I currently exist only in a state of mind. one too complex for geographic location.
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give me a freaking break. we are only responsible for the well being of ourselves and our families. good luck stopping climate change while orbiting a ball of fire.

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You are just being very short-sighted. The anti-abortion, anti-gay-marriage movements are not going to destroy our planet materially, but the way we live our lives without changing certainly will contribute to a decline of this planet's health. Your having nothing to do with abortion or gay marriage does not excuse you from being responsible for the well-being of the community. That's not about political parties. It's about your respect for the planet we all share, and the rest of the community.
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Old 04-17-2009, 05:27 PM
 
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Are we talking of destroying the Republican party like it did under Reagan or are we talking of some other destruction?
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Old 04-17-2009, 05:30 PM
 
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give me a freaking break. we are only responsible for the well being of ourselves and our families. good luck stopping climate change while orbiting a ball of fire.
You just don't get it. We're polluting earth so bad that even Mars and Pluto are warming up. Stop with your hatred and your selfish use of fossil fuels.
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