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Old 05-07-2009, 12:10 PM
 
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Yes, but they still blame Obama for ACORN and fake registrations, etc...
Point out the posting here that does that...
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STUPID.
TOS
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Old 05-07-2009, 12:33 PM
 
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Point out the posting here that does that...

TOS
Here's one:

How much money did WE, THE TAXPAYERS just give ACORN under the Obama / Pelosi porkulus bill????

There is another one about Democrats needing to win an election with ACORN... right wingers are predictable.
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Old 05-07-2009, 12:39 PM
 
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Yes, but they still blame Obama for ACORN and fake registrations, etc...
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Point out the posting here that does that...
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Here's one:

How much money did WE, THE TAXPAYERS just give ACORN under the Obama / Pelosi porkulus bill????
You accused "Republicans" of blaming Obama for fake registration, the poster you quoted asked about funding, not registrations..
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There is another one about Democrats needing to win an election with ACORN..
Nope.. not that one either

Thanks for playing
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Old 05-07-2009, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Idaho Falls
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"Based on years of experience conducting community-based voter registration drives, ACORN has established 20 applications per four-hour shift as a reasonable performance standard. Performance standards do not represent a “quota,” or payment per registration, but simply a baseline for job performance. And, as the complaint itself makes clear, failing to meet this standard does not result in automatic termination. ACORN supervisors are trained to evaluate canvassers on a case-by-case basis, and are given wide latitude in determining the appropriate course of action for under-performing canvassers, ranging from re-training or reassignment to disciplinary action or dismissal. Moreover, the statute invoked in the complaint does not even address such job performance standards, nor does it address the situation in the Nevada office, in which unauthorized but moderate bonuses (in the amount of five-dollars per shift) were awarded in September to canvassers who exceeded expectations. In fact, the poorly written statute merely states that it is illegal to pay anyone to register voters based on the total number of voters registered. ACORN canvassers are paid and evaluated by the hour. The absurd legal interpretation under which the complaint has been brought suggests that it is illegal for a voter registration drive to set ANY job performance standards for hourly employees, or to evaluate employees and hold them accountable. In effect, their interpretation of the law would make conducting a paid voter registration drive impossible. Few states need active and effective voter registration drives more than Nevada, which rates 50th out of 51 states (including the District of Columbia) in voter registration rates."

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This case is going nowhere fast, wingnuts. You lose again.
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Old 05-07-2009, 04:42 PM
 
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"Based on years of experience conducting community-based voter registration drives, ACORN has established 20 applications per four-hour shift as a reasonable performance standard. Performance standards do not represent a “quota,” or payment per registration, but simply a baseline for job performance. And, as the complaint itself makes clear, failing to meet this standard does not result in automatic termination. ACORN supervisors are trained to evaluate canvassers on a case-by-case basis, and are given wide latitude in determining the appropriate course of action for under-performing canvassers, ranging from re-training or reassignment to disciplinary action or dismissal. Moreover, the statute invoked in the complaint does not even address such job performance standards, nor does it address the situation in the Nevada office, in which unauthorized but moderate bonuses (in the amount of five-dollars per shift) were awarded in September to canvassers who exceeded expectations. In fact, the poorly written statute merely states that it is illegal to pay anyone to register voters based on the total number of voters registered. ACORN canvassers are paid and evaluated by the hour. The absurd legal interpretation under which the complaint has been brought suggests that it is illegal for a voter registration drive to set ANY job performance standards for hourly employees, or to evaluate employees and hold them accountable. In effect, their interpretation of the law would make conducting a paid voter registration drive impossible. Few states need active and effective voter registration drives more than Nevada, which rates 50th out of 51 states (including the District of Columbia) in voter registration rates."

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This case is going nowhere fast, wingnuts. You lose again.
Oddly enough, you proved in your own thread why it will proceed, and why the story writer doesnt know wtf they are talking about...

maybe thats the intent of the law, to not have PAID drives to register to vote, this doesnt mean that the law doesnt exist. In edition, the story writer is completely WRONG.. ACORN is not in violation of the law for hiring people to do PAID voter drives, they are in violation of the law by offering BONUS...

I love people who sit there and proclaim others lose, while they show a their lack of maturity, and the facts being discussed.
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Old 05-07-2009, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Idaho Falls
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maybe thats the intent of the law, to not have PAID drives to register to vote, this doesnt mean that the law doesnt exist. In edition, the story writer is completely WRONG.. ACORN is not in violation of the law for hiring people to do PAID voter drives, they are in violation of the law by offering BONUS...
If that were the case, the law would have said "it is illegal to have paid drives to register voters." But of course, being a conservative type, you would disapprove of that, because that would mean that only the state could pay people to register voters.

Instead, the law says that it's illegal to pay a voter registration person based on the number of registrations the person produces. That's clearly not the case - or it is only true if you twist the meaning of the law into your characterzation of it whereby nobody can get paid at all.

Please be reasonable. This was a minor performance reward to acknowledge good work. And registering voters is difficult, low-paid, GOOD WORK. The fact that you go all bat s**t insane over anything related to ACORN is really a blow to your credibility.
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Old 05-07-2009, 05:05 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Obama has a connection to ACORN!
Well, no s__t, Dick Tracy. He was a "community organizer"! That was his "qualification" to be President. Remember? Obama is nothing but a Chicago thug.
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Old 05-07-2009, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Hey idaho - why do you have such a hard-on for ACORN? Seriously. They clearly broke the law here. Why are you defending them? What dog do you have in this race?
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Old 05-07-2009, 05:08 PM
 
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If that were the case, the law would have said "it is illegal to have paid drives to register voters." But of course, being a conservative type, you would disapprove of that, because that would mean that only the state could pay people to register voters.
Did you even read the story you linked to? That was THEIR accusation of the charges
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Instead, the law says that it's illegal to pay a voter registration person based on the number of registrations the person produces. That's clearly not the case - or it is only true if you twist the meaning of the law into your characterzation of it whereby nobody can get paid at all.
Not at all what the law says, or the charges, they violated a law saying that registration drives can not be incentive based. Nothing says people can not be paid by the HOUR..
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Please be reasonable. This was a minor performance reward to acknowledge good work.
The law does not account for "reasonability".. its rather cut and dry..I have claimed NUMEROUS times that its a breaking of the law on a technicallity, but that doesnt mean they didnt break the law..
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