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View Poll Results: Under which circumstances should abortion be legal, if at all?
Legal under any circumstances 47 39.83%
Legal under most circumstances 35 29.66%
Legal only in a few circumstances 27 22.88%
Illegal in all circumstances 9 7.63%
Voters: 118. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-18-2009, 08:39 AM
 
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That said, with later term abortions if there is a chance at viability the woman should be counseled about the enormity of what she is doing. How to do that without attempting to control her, I don't know. But knowledge is always a good thing. What do you think?
Very nearly all late-term abortions terminate WANTED pregnancies. By that time, the women involved have invested many months in the pregnancy and have gone through the bonding that occurs when carrying a wanted fetus. The last thing these women are looking for is a loss of the pregnancy. Medical personnel are in the business that they are in because of the interest and skill that they have in dealing with pregnancy, including with the rather many things that can ultimately go wrong with one. There is in short no reason at all to believe that either a shortage of information or a lack of appreciation for the gravity of the situation actually exists under these circumstances.
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Old 05-18-2009, 08:49 AM
 
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Neither side, regardless of its numbers, has any say at all in the matter of Constitutional rights. These are deliberately off-limits to local or any other kinds of majorities. Every woman has the Constitutional right to direct her own reproductive history. This includes the matter of whether and when to reproduce.
Yes, but pro-life lawmakers do have the Constitutional ability to restrict/impose requirements on abortion.

Even though I have my opinion, I strongly believe that balance is a good thing.
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Old 05-18-2009, 08:51 AM
 
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Many posters on here feel abortion should be permitted even in the third trimester regardless of circumstance. Apparently you're a misognyist if you suggest otherwise.
Many posters believe that there is no simplistic, one-size-fits-all answer to every possible problem that can arise in every possible situation. These tend to believe that crackpots and demagogues are not to be put in charge of making decisions in such personal matters, even before those matters can so much as arise. No one has more right nor more of the pertinent information necessary to appropriate decision-making than the woman involved in concert with her chosen medical and other advisors. Your capacities pale by comparison, and so do those of every religious and political leader. There is no evidence that, left to their own devices, these women and their advisors will not indeed arrive at the best possible resolution of any individual instance. Imposing baseless dogma or remote personal opinion upon such decision-making only reduces the chances that it will be done well and lead to a successful outcome.
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Old 05-18-2009, 08:52 AM
 
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Many posters on here feel abortion should be permitted even in the third trimester regardless of circumstance. Apparently you're a misognyist if you suggest otherwise.
Many?

Post proof of "many".

I know you won't .


You ARE a misogynist if you want to control women by forcing them to have babies....if you don't want them to have control over their own health and welfare...if you don't believe they're intelligent enough to make their own decisions and you think YOU ARE!
And if it has no effect on YOUR life but want to control their's.

What can't you understand about the FACT that legal or illegal, abortions have been around since the beginning of time and will continue to be despite all your arguments and legislation.

The FACT that you want to make them illegal which will result in women suffering and even dying proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you hate women.
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Old 05-18-2009, 08:53 AM
 
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I cannot think of a single circumstance where I believe abortion should be illegal.
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Old 05-18-2009, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Many?

Post proof of "many".

I know you won't .
Look at the poll above. "Legal under any circumstance" means it should be legal at any time for any reason; that's my interpretation at least.
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Old 05-18-2009, 08:58 AM
 
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Look at the poll above. "Legal under any circumstance" means it should be legal at any time for any reason.
No, it said under any circumstance....that's different and I see you couldn't address the rest of my post(as usual)...you certainly can "cherry pick" with the best of them!
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Old 05-18-2009, 08:58 AM
 
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Look at the poll above. "Legal under any circumstance" means it should be legal at any time for any reason.
While I'd prefer once past the point of viability if they can save the child and put it up for adoption, they should, the final decision should be placed upon the mother.

Some just don't want to pass on their genes no matter what.
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Old 05-18-2009, 08:59 AM
 
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Very nearly all late-term abortions terminate WANTED pregnancies. By that time, the women involved have invested many months in the pregnancy and have gone through the bonding that occurs when carrying a wanted fetus. The last thing these women are looking for is a loss of the pregnancy. Medical personnel are in the business that they are in because of the interest and skill that they have in dealing with pregnancy, including with the rather many things that can ultimately go wrong with one. There is in short no reason at all to believe that either a shortage of information or a lack of appreciation for the gravity of the situation actually exists under these circumstances.
Very nearly all? Not all, then. It is that very vague 'not all' that I do have concern about.
As to the 'very nearly all' that comprises of women who had been happily pregnant prior to the discovery of some kind of catastrophic fault don't disabuse yourself that they have not had those conversations with the obgyns. The conversations of what will happen if, what will it look like, can I hold it, what is recommended. They certainly would not be under duress to have a conversation that they already have had.
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Old 05-18-2009, 08:59 AM
 
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No, it said under any circumstance....that's different and I see you couldn't address the rest of my post(as usual)...you certainly can "cherry pick" with the best of them!
To me, supporting a time limit would mean you support it being "legal under most circumstances." Perhaps the choices are a bit confusing.

As to responding to the rest of your post, you don't know me. Thus, I refuse to address your assumptions about me.
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