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Old 05-20-2009, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Under a bridge.
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Dogfighting is wrong, but it's a sub-culture found all across America. Funny how people latch on to a famous person and turn him into pinata, but if they found themselves in a similar position, they'd expect the neighbors to respect their privacy after doing the time.

I don't get the double-standard that rule so many people's lives.
Famous people, especially sports people, have a responsibility to help improve society. Vick failed at that. (Click to read more on the concept of "social responsibilty" here.)

The double standard does not exist on this issue. Vick's actions were so far from the norms of Americans who support football (with their money--as in "customers") that Vick should never have a chance at celebrity status again. Should he ever return to public life it should be as one who has a web cam in his cell. That way others can see that regardless of how special or talented one thinks he is, he still must ascribe to society's norms.
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Old 05-20-2009, 01:55 PM
 
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I hear what you're saying, however people like this who do this type of behavior...it's usually not their first time nor will it be their last time. It's just like an abusive husband/boyfriend/partner/parent etc. They may not get caught, but they're still doing it behind closed doors, mark my word. Plus, I wonder what some think of that Chris Brown who beat up Rihanna, do you think he should be given a second chance or do you think he should be crucified? In my opinion, I hope his career is over. Again, an abuser. No sympathy. And in most circumstances, I'm very forgiving of people & believe most deserve a second & even a third chance. This type of circumstance though, no way. How do you guys feel about sexual abusers? Do they deserve another chance after doing their time?
Do sex abusers deserve another chance at life after serving their time? Of course they do. If not, then let's just kill them when they are convicted. The whole point of prison is to deter, isolate and rehabilitate. Just like sex offenders can go and make a living with the provision that they stay away from certain populations, Vick should be allowed to make a living and stay away from dogs... or whatever restriction is reasonable. Now, if a team does not want him on their roster for moral reasons, then that's fine... it would be absurd of course given the resumes of some of these football players... but that would be their perogative.
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Old 05-20-2009, 01:56 PM
 
Location: on the edge of Sanity
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Dogfighting is wrong, but it's a sub-culture found all across America. Funny how people latch on to a famous person and turn him into pinata, but if they found themselves in a similar position, they'd expect the neighbors to respect their privacy after doing the time.

I don't get the double-standard that rule so many people's lives.
What about all the interstate gambling laws he violated? I think the fact that he's famous (and rich) helped Michael Vicks a lot. Anyone else who was involved in drugs and gambling and convicted in running a multi-million dollar interstate gambling operation, would have been locked up for at least 10 years.

Regarding your statement (that I put in bold) I report people all the time for animal cruelty and would expect my neighbors to do the same. The problem is that most people DO look the other way. Go back and read some of my posts and you'll know I've rescued abused animals and I've reported neighbors who tie their dogs up and don't provide proper shelter or care for them.

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Do sex abusers deserve another chance at life after serving their time? Of course they do.
Really? They do? When was the last time your 5 year old daughter or son got raped and you forgave the pervert who hurt her? There are some people who do not deserve a second chance and most sex offenders fall into this group. It's a very broad category, so I'm not talking about urinating in the street.
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Old 05-20-2009, 03:03 PM
 
Location: MI
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I have a question to all.

Should Mike Vick get a second chance at being a player in the NFL?

YES, perhaps he can regain some of what he has lost due to the stupidity of the legal system. They have destroyed his life for lying. He did not murder a human being. Somewhere we must draw the line. He should have been punished but not destroyed. jmo
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Old 05-20-2009, 03:07 PM
 
Location: um....guess
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YES, perhaps he can regain some of what he has lost due to the stupidity of the legal system. They have destroyed his life for lying. He did not murder a human being. Somewhere we must draw the line. He should have been punished but not destroyed. jmo
Well it's a good thing he didn't torture your pet, you might feel differently.
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Old 05-20-2009, 03:15 PM
 
Location: dfw, tx
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if michael vick was not famous he would not have been caught. where i am from new orleans they fight dogs all day long, no one gets caught. that's just the south.
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Old 05-20-2009, 03:17 PM
 
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There are few thug mentality teams that might take him but why bother. It's too bad he was so stupid and ignorant like that but he's a grown man, paid his debt and will have to move on with his life as best he can. Kicking him around won't help him adjust to just being an average Joe Shmo that has to work a 9 to 5 job.
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Old 05-20-2009, 06:24 PM
 
Location: MI
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Well it's a good thing he didn't torture your pet, you might feel differently.
I don't own a pet. I could care less about them. However, I respect pet lovers. Is that OK with you. I value human life .
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Old 05-20-2009, 06:25 PM
 
Location: CA
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I have a question to all.

Should Mike Vick get a second chance at being a player in the NFL?

IMO. Yes. He served his time, let the man make a living.
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Old 05-20-2009, 06:26 PM
 
Location: MI
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if michael vick was not famous he would not have been caught. where i am from new orleans they fight dogs all day long, no one gets caught. that's just the south.
ITA this was just to make an example out of him. The south is known for dog fighting and it did not start with black men!
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