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Hey, give me a break. LOL I've read enough of your posts at this point to have figured out that you must have some "cognitive issues" as well as a very flawed factual knowledge base. I think you're projecting your foolishness onto to me, kiddo. The old "shame" routine does not work on me.
I guess if you're not informed enough to understand the connection between Blabber Mouth Dark Dick and a discussion of waterboarding and torture, that's your problem.
Flawed? Then you educate me.. WHAT LAW WAS BROKEN...
I want the ACTUAL law.. I dont want to hear about there autta be a law argument, I want the ACTUAL law. Laws are very clear, they are very precise, GIVE ME THE LAW broke..
I vote for enormously stubborn, with cognitive issues, and a very, very FLAWS AND LIMITED factual knowledge base, plus inability to distinguish between facts and desire.
No, you liberals DESIRE to PRETEND that laws were broken, you have yet to name ONE law that was broken.. YOUR the ones missing the FACTS.. If you want to pretend that a law was broken, you'd have no problem LISTING THE LAW..
Millions of liberals all claim a law was broken, NONE of them can claim THAT LAW..
The question was how do you tell if someone you are interogating is telling the truth.
The answer doesnt change if your a law enforcement officer interrogating a suspect, or if your interrogating terrorists, you ask them questions that you already know the answer to, and if they tell you the truth on that, then there is a high probability that they are being truthful about other facts given up not previously known. If they are lying about facts that you already know to be a lie, then the other items they tell you, then there is a high probability that the unknown facts they are telling you are also lies..
Ahhhh, you're spinning and twisting words. Let me go back and find your post which relates to my response.
We were talking about why law enforcement officers in the U.S. do not waterboard and torture inmates and suspects to get information. We were not talking about law enforcement determining the truthfulness of a response by a SUSPECT by asking suspects questions which the officer already knows the factual answer. YOU'RE DEFLECTING.
I'll find your post which applies to my response, if you haven't deleted it already.
Ahhhh, you're spinning and twisting words. Let me go back and find your post which relates to my response.
We were talking about why law enforcement officers in the U.S. do not waterboard and torture inmates and suspects to get information. We were not talking about law enforcement determining the truthfulness of a response by a SUSPECT by asking suspects questions which the officer already knows the factual answer. YOU'RE DEFLECTING.
I'll find your post which applies to my response, if you haven't deleted it already.
law enforcement officers in the US do not waterboard and torture inmanes to get information because they are questioning individuals who are PROTECTED BY LAW from being waterboarding and tortured, this does not mean the method to determine if suspects are telling the truth is different. Methods of gathering information is different, methods of analizing the results are not..
The fact that your arguing over the difference in techniques used by terror interrogators, and law enforcement interrogators to tell how a suspect is telling the truth, DEFLECTS from the answer, which is they ask a question the already know the answer to.
Your also the one deflecting from the fact that terrorists are not afforded the same PROTECTION as those interrogated by law enforcement officers, and your further deflecting on the fact that YOU CANT NAME A LAW BROKEN..
Flawed? Then you educate me.. WHAT LAW WAS BROKEN...
I want the ACTUAL law.. I dont want to hear about there autta be a law argument, I want the ACTUAL law. Laws are very clear, they are very precise, GIVE ME THE LAW broke..
Clarify your question, please.
"What law was broken" is really pretty vague and could apply to ANYTHING.
When you can formulate an appropriate and clear question, then I will consider responding.
It's still not torture. This guy is a radio host that's probably never experienced anything more miserable than being caught in rush hour.
Yeah....it sucks....bad, but he's fine, is he not? Our SEALS have it done to them in training so they know that to expect. But they recover instantly, do they not?
Yes, and many former Navy SEALs have said that it is torture if done for a long time. It's also done to stress the importance of avoiding capture and to show how quickly someone as tough as a Navy SEAL or Green Beret can crack when tortured.
Torture is not being made uncomfortable, being scared or THINKING you might die. Torture is being savagely beaten. Torture is being physically abused, where you don't recover.
So when the North Vietnamese, North Koreans, and Japanese would waterboard American soldiers, keep them tied up for weeks at a time, prevent them from sleeping for as long as two weeks, or would perform mock executions; none of that was torture?
If this doesn't work or help protect our country, then release the memos and prove it. If the memos show proof that it doesn't work, I'll be the first to jump off the bandwagon.
You have to prove that torture isn't counter-productive. You cannot prove a negative. I'm also skeptical of claims as to how useful torture is considering that most people (as well as anyone who is honest with themselves' will admit this) that if tortured for long enough, a person will admit to any number of misdeeds. Have you ever seen footage of show trials that were conducted by the Nazis and the Soviets were someone how fell out of favor would offer up confessions were they planned to assassinate Hitler/Stalin or were planning coup or how they were secretly undermining Communism/National Socialism and then they would follow it up with a list of co-conspirators who would then be executed. Now, do you think that there were really all those plots actually existed or do you think that they were just an excuse to get rid of potentional political enemies and as a way for the NKVD and Gestapo to cover up their mistakes?
But they're not going to, because that wouldn't help their cause. I'm for whatever keeps my family and this country safe.
Yes, being executed for killing someone you didnt kill SUCKS.. It has happened numerous times in society, dont pretend it hasnt..
I NEVER justified it, I stated a FACT.. Again, you can ignore the fact all day long but that doesnt mean those executed for something they didnt do, didnt suck..
By the way, as for innocent people having been executed numerous times in OUR country, the prosecutors (State Attorneys, District Attorneys, etc.) all over the country would take strong issue with your statement.
They assert and NO INNOCENT person has ever been executed in the U.S. because they also assert we have such perfect death penalty laws, there is no room for error. Unfortunately, after a person has been executed, as a rule the "government" "prosecutors" destory all the evidence and files in the case, so it's pretty hard after that point to prove that the person executed was innocent.
Then again, we do have DNA evidence which has proven that a number of people on death row were innocent. And DNA evidence is relatively new. Plus the fact that NOT ALL "murder" death row cases had any DNA evidence at all. However, common sense tells us all that innocent people have been executed by the state. The problem becomes proving the person's innocence after execution........which would then "prove" there are "fatal flaws" in our death penalty laws.....and would likely get the death penalty outlawed in this country, yet, once again.
SO, if you have PROOF that innocent people have been executed, or even good evidence that ONE INNOCENT person was executed, please contact the Innocence Project and advise them of what knowledge and evidence you have.
No, you liberals DESIRE to PRETEND that laws were broken, you have yet to name ONE law that was broken.. YOUR the ones missing the FACTS.. If you want to pretend that a law was broken, you'd have no problem LISTING THE LAW..
Millions of liberals all claim a law was broken, NONE of them can claim THAT LAW..
It's "you're the ones" not "your the ones"...........
So what's that thing going on in Spain with that guy investigating some folks from the former administration for war crimes? Not trying to change the subject, but do you have any factual information about that?
"What law was broken" is really pretty vague and could apply to ANYTHING.
Um, the whole point of the thread is that "waterboarding = torture"..
If your truly a law enforcement agent, (for 20+ years), you must be an awful one, maybe you should be let go and replaced by soemone who knows how an interrogation works..
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