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Old 05-25-2009, 04:25 PM
 
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I haven't read through the posts or even through the OP....but I will comment on the quote in the title.

How could he not have realized this a looooooong time ago?
if you read the OP, be sure to find my post maybe on the next page and continue reading the interview-- the OP's source left out a lot of what Obama said at a crucial point, and the entire interview (linked at my post) puts the sheep-scare headline into context.
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Old 05-25-2009, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Texas
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if you read the OP, be sure to find my post maybe on the next page and continue reading the interview-- the OP's source left out a lot of what Obama said at a crucial point, and the entire interview (linked at my post) puts the sheep-scare headline into context.
Will do when I have time later tonight.
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Old 05-25-2009, 04:43 PM
 
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Lol - dont blame you - WAY later

also didnt mean to be bossy about "MY post, MY post." Here's the link to the transcript of the whole interview:

PRESIDENT OBAMA DISCUSSES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC ISSUES IN EXCLUSIVE C-SPAN INTERVIEW — ButAsForMe (http://www.butasforme.com/2009/05/24/president-obama-discusses-foreign-and-domestic-issues-in-exclusive-c-span-interview/ - broken link)
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Old 05-25-2009, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Oh, look. Here's the part Drudge left out.

PRESIDENT OBAMA DISCUSSES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC ISSUES IN EXCLUSIVE C-SPAN INTERVIEW" ButAsForMe (http://www.butasforme.com/2009/05/24/president-obama-discusses-foreign-and-domestic-issues-in-exclusive-c-span-interview/ - broken link)

So, one option is just to do nothing. We say, well, it’s too expensive for us to make some short-term investments in health care. We can’t afford it. We’ve got this big deficit. Let’s just keep the health care system that we’ve got now.

Along that trajectory, we will see health care cost as an overall share of our federal spending grow and grow and grow and grow until essentially it consumes everything.[excluded part begins here >] That’s the wrong option.

I think the right option is to say, where are the game changers, the investments that we can make now that are going to reduce costs, even if they don’t reduce them this year or next year, but 10 years from now or 20 years from now, we are going to see substantially lower costs.

And if - one of the very promising areas that we saw was these insurance companies, drug companies, hospitals, all these stakeholders coming together, committing to me that they would reduce costs by 1.5 percent per year.

If we do that, it seems like small number, we end up saving $2 trillion. $2 trillion, which not only can help deal with our deficit and our long-term debt, but a lot of those savings can go back into the pockets of American consumers in the form of lower premiums. That’s what we are driving for.[<end excluded part]
"..committing to me"? It always about 0bama isn't it? How about committing to the American people.

TORTE reform would go a lot further then 1.5%, in reducing costs. It a start anyway, but $2 trillion in 20 years is a drop in the bucket to the debt 0bama is laying on us.

You'd think from what 0bama just said, he has no intention of sticking his nose into health care and coming up with government mandates... I seriously doubt that.

Maybe I am just being too skeptical, but 0bama has done more damage to this country in 5 months, then I ever imagined, so forgive me for not thinking he wants to control our health care and the entire health care industry.
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Old 05-25-2009, 04:45 PM
 
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"..committing to me"? It always about 0bama isn't it? How about committing to the American people.
He had a meeting with them and he asked them and they they DID commit, to him personally.

http://www.latimes.com/features/heal...,7328692.story

as for being skeptical - we're not nearly out of the woods and there's no guarantee about any of this.
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Old 05-25-2009, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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He had a meeting with them and he asked them and they they DID commit, to him personally.

Healthcare groups join Obama at negotiating table - Los Angeles Times

as for being skeptical - we're not nearly out of the woods and there's no guarantee about any of this.
I know that. But 0bama IS us, they commit to us, we the American people, not to 0bama the man. But then this has been his way, everything is about him, "I did this" and "I did that," "they committed to me". It's his egocentric, view of the world. We elect presidents to represent us, to act on our behave, treaties etc... are made with America and the American people, not personally to president. I know it sounds like a small bone of contention, but this guy is such a narcissist.
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Old 05-25-2009, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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I know that. But 0bama IS us, they commit to us, we the American people, not to 0bama the man. But then this has been his way, everything is about him, "I did this" and "I did that," "they committed to me". It's his egocentric, view of the world. We elect presidents to represent us, to act on our behave, treaties etc... are made with America and the American people, not personally to president. I know it sounds like a small bone of contention, but this guy is such a narcissist.
You mean like "I'm the Decider"?

Nah. Nobody could EVER be that arrogant again.
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Old 05-25-2009, 06:52 PM
 
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0bama: 'WE'RE OUT OF MONEY'

Holy Cow! This is one smart guy!

He had to borrow the TRILLIONS and he just figured out we are out of money? See it is important to go to college!
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Old 05-25-2009, 07:56 PM
 
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I know that. But 0bama IS us, they commit to us, we the American people, not to 0bama the man. But then this has been his way, everything is about him, "I did this" and "I did that," "they committed to me". It's his egocentric, view of the world. We elect presidents to represent us, to act on our behave, treaties etc... are made with America and the American people, not personally to president. I know it sounds like a small bone of contention, but this guy is such a narcissist.
But they DID commit to him, in the meeting. He represents us, so they committed to us via him....as you say he IS us.

I see what you mean, it would have been nice if he'd said they committed to US and been inclusive, but I dont think it's a deal-breaker. I dont see him as narcissistic for putting it that way.

Our takes on so much of the Obama-interpreting are so subjective. You hear it one way I hear it another way. Same with Sanrene's thread - a perfectly innocuous statement that some people "hear" one way in their heads and others "hear" way differently. I was the same way with GWB, didnt trust a word out of his smirky little mouth. So.
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Old 05-25-2009, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Well I want to see it on paper with a timeline and numbers.

GM "committed" to paying back those loans, didn't it ?
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