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Old 07-30-2009, 08:14 AM
 
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I think so. See attached article.

100 Years of Medical Robbery - Dale Steinreich - Mises Institute

For those that don't believe the AMA is a union, you may be unaware that most doctors are not employees of hospitals, but independent Contractors. The amount that doctors are paid is based in no small part on how much the federal government pays for Medicaid, Medicare. The AMA lobbys on behalf of the Doctors with the federal government (quasi employer) for better payment in these programs. This is the classical definition of a union. And the AMA does more, oh so much more. Don't believe me look at their website.

American Medical Association
The AMA is not a union, but an association charged with setting standards for all medical doctors. It represents less than 20% of all practicing doctors, so it can hardly be classified a "union".

Unlike teachers' unions, the AMA is a national association. Individual states determine whether teachers can unionize, but doctors cannot unionize at all.

Lobby,...yes.

Union,...NO.
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Old 07-30-2009, 08:24 AM
 
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Actually the ABA is not a union as it does not lobby for better pay for lawyers with anyone.
Try practicing law without membership.
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Old 07-30-2009, 10:29 AM
 
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I guess the american federation of teachers is not a union either? Please read the article to understand the union before you say that they are not.
i did read it that was the reason for my post. did you see the question mark on my post, this means i am asking not telling.
as to doctors and AMA, 60% of MD's are self employed, see link. so calling it a union is questionable no?. hence the title ameican medical association not american medical union.
Work in America: A-M - Google Books
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Old 07-30-2009, 12:32 PM
 
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A friend of mine used to work for Bob Dole back in the 80's when he was Senate Majority Leader. She worked right in the Capitol. She was always going on trips and to events paid for and sponsored by the AMA.

Yep, they've got DC in their pocket.

That's why they can give you 15 minutes of their time, ask you a few questions, schedule some tests, and charge you $368 just for that visit.

That's a real number. I took my daughter to a gastroenterologist in the spring. That was the cost of the "consultant" visit. The endoscopy and colonoscopies were much more, of course, and in the end she pronounced that all-encompassing diagnosis you get when they have no idea what is wrong: "IBS" (Irritable Bowel Syndrome). I am not making this up. I've talked to about five other people--no results of anything from the tests--you have IBS.

Subsequently, my teenager did some googling on the Internet, realized her symptoms matched those of a senstitivity to wheat, cut all gluten products out of her diet, and she is completely better. The doctor never even suggested that there might be a dietary reason.
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Old 07-30-2009, 02:00 PM
 
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The AMA is not a union, but an association charged with setting standards for all medical doctors. .
Who charged them with this responsibility? Did you read the link?
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Old 07-30-2009, 02:27 PM
 
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Who charged them with this responsibility? Did you read the link?
Yes,...I read the link. Anyone who inisists that less than 20% of ALL medical professionals make a union is a little off balance.

That are many proffesional associations that police their own. Auctioneers, plumbers, realtors, lawyers, CPAs,...and the list goes on, and on, and on. I know the difference between an association with a strong lobby and a union.

Some do not.
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Old 07-30-2009, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Really I though it was the IBEW or the Teachers union?
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Old 07-30-2009, 02:51 PM
 
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Yes,...I read the link. Anyone who inisists that less than 20% of ALL medical professionals make a union is a little off balance.

That are many proffesional associations that police their own. Auctioneers, plumbers, realtors, lawyers, CPAs,...and the list goes on, and on, and on. I know the difference between an association with a strong lobby and a union.

Some do not.
Well please define union, since you know and some do not.

You did not answer my question. Who charged the AMA with setting the standards to getting into med. school? How does the AMA police their own?

FYI. There are plumbers unions. I don't know about the remaining.
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Old 07-30-2009, 03:09 PM
 
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Yes,...I read the link. Anyone who inisists that less than 20% of ALL medical professionals make a union is a little off balance.

That are many proffesional associations that police their own. Auctioneers, plumbers, realtors, lawyers, CPAs,...and the list goes on, and on, and on. I know the difference between an association with a strong lobby and a union.

Some do not.
Obviously. "AMA enters the world of collective bargaining"

AMA calls for doctors' unions | Academe | Find Articles at BNET
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Old 07-30-2009, 10:10 PM
 
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[quote=Mightyqueen801;10022170]A friend of mine used to work for Bob Dole back in the 80's when he was Senate Majority Leader. She worked right in the Capitol. She was always going on trips and to events paid for and sponsored by the AMA.

I doubt that is unusaul..unethical, probably.
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