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You keep confusing per capita costs with insurance premiums. The Canadian system costs 30% less than the US system. How those costs are distributed is a separate topic.
The system also doesn't cover 30% of the population...and 65% of Canadians buy private insurance on top of the gov. run system....
You keep confusing per capita costs with insurance premiums. The Canadian system costs 30% less than the US system. How those costs are distributed is a separate topic.
The per capita cost has to be paid by someone, be it direct payment or payment through an insurance company.
Some of your premiums are going into the insurance company pockets.
The end result to you is the same except, using those figures, about $10,000 of your current $12,000 would go to the Canadian gov't (or ours)
The $2000 being hopeful savings.
However, you might have to spend that $2000 to pad out what the gov't is offering.
If you don't expect to cover 'your per capita' then somebody else is going to have to via taxes.
Or....if you are deemed to be able to afford it, that extra $2000 may be charged to you to cover someone elses shortfall
The system also doesn't cover 30% of the population...and 65% of Canadians buy private insurance on top of the gov. run system....
100% of the population is covered by Canada's system. Not all care -- drugs, eyeglasses, etc are covered. The total costs including government and private payments is the reported $5170 per capita.
100% of the population is covered by Canada's system. Not all care -- drugs, eyeglasses, etc are covered. The total costs including government and private payments is the reported $5170 per capita.
Actually it pays for 71% of Canadians care....leaving 29% not covered.
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In Canada, the various levels of government pay for about 71% of Canadians' health care costs, which is slightly below the OECD average.
And there is the small point that "65% of Canadians have some form of supplementary private health insurance?" and "30% of Canadians' health care is paid for through the private sector"....
But otherwise it is great.
Well except for the long wait times....and the rationing of care.
Actually it pays for 71% of Canadians care....leaving 29% not covered.
And there is the small point that "65% of Canadians have some form of supplementary private health insurance?" and "30% of Canadians' health care is paid for through the private sector"....
But otherwise it is great.
Well except for the long wait times....and the rationing of care.
Could that not read this way?
That taxes pay for 71% and the rest is paid for by private insurance?(edited to add, or out-of-pocket)
I think every Canadian is covered
Actually it pays for 71% of Canadians care....leaving 29% not covered.
29% of the cost not 29% of the people, as I said. Total per capita cost $ 5170 for Canadians vs. $6714 in the US.
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Originally Posted by oz in SC
And there is the small point that "65% of Canadians have some form of supplementary private health insurance?" and "30% of Canadians' health care is paid for through the private sector"....
But otherwise it is great.
Well except for the long wait times....and the rationing of care.
Again the comparison is that the total per capita cost in Canada is 30% lower than in the US. That includes the 29% that isn't paid by the government system.
I'm unaware of a single US insurance plan that covers 100% of costs. I have procedures that the carrier won't pay for and I have copays for procedures that are covered. You appear to be trying to create an argument against the Canadian system based upon false information.
Some interesting information about how Canadians feel about healthcare...
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Two-thirds of Canadians (66 per cent) tend to be supportive, more or less, of a host of new models of financing in order to reduce stress on the system - for example, where everyone (except those with low incomes) pays a small amount for health care services out of their own pocket. They also tend to support strategies such as using nurses or other health practitioners rather than physicians to provide certain services. Just under half (45 per cent) tend to be supportive of market-oriented reforms--greater efficiency, accountability and customer service, including private sector companies delivering health care services
Environics Research Group, "New Survey: Canadians Want Health System to Change," Press release, October 17, 2002, at erg.environics.net/news/default.asp?aID=501(August 11, 2004).
Also found out that costs for the Canadian system are increasing at about 5%-6% a year....
Finally...the 47 million figure includes roughly 10 million 'non-Americans'...lets exclude them from getting free healthcare.
It then includes over 16 million who earn $50,000 or more....not sure about you but they should be able to pay for their own insurance...
So that leaves 21 million uninsured,of that several million have gov. healthcare available to them but have not signed up....
I am sorry it seems there just isn't enough uninsured Americans to want to do this...unless this isn't about the uninsured people but about those who HAVE insurance and want others to pay for it???
How much are you willing to pay for your health insurance?
How much are you willing to pay for a doctors visit?
How much are you willing to pay for a hospital stay?
Can you provide a link to this data?
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