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Old 08-03-2009, 08:37 PM
 
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I hear the phrase "American jobs" alot when people are talking about globalization. The phrase implies that we as an individual American have a legal right to the job that we are at.

You hear many Americans saying "these are our jobs that are being shipped overseas", As if we own them. This is a capitalist system that we are under; there is no ours. The only way that one should feel obligated to a job is if it were under a communist system. If Raul & Fidel Castro decide to buy Cuba's supply of textiles (clothing) from Malaysia instead of having the Cuban people make them, then the Cuban textile workers could say "the Malaysians are taking our jobs." Why? Because the Communist economic system is a collective; the people own the means of production, i.e. the Cuban people own the company, the machines, the land that they facility is on; they are obligated to the profits. The wealth of the Cuban nation belongs to all the people of Cuba.

The wealth of the United States of America belongs only to the most innovative and best capitalists, i.e. individuals. So when IBM ships more jobs to India and Americans lose the positions they once held, just remember that the Americans are working for a group of capitalists who have a right to move their operations anywhere they want to;. IBM & other capitalists have no legal or moral obligation to only provide jobs & wealth to the people of the same nationality as them.

The American who feels that his/her job belongs to him/her has only one of two options:

1) Move to India, Mexico, China, Brazil, or wherever their job goes.

2) Start a communist revolution in the United States so you as a citizen will be obligated to the job.

If you're not willing to do any of those things, then I suggest one needs to stop complaining and accept the system that one is under.
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Old 08-03-2009, 08:43 PM
 
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Just the harsh truth.
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Old 08-03-2009, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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Just the harsh truth.
The harsh truth is people love their $99.00 color televisions they buy at WalMart that are made in communist China.

If the color television was made in the United States it would cost $299.00.

That's harsh truth.

I don't especially like it myself but the American people chooses for it to be that way every time they make a WalMart purchase which is often.

That's harsh truth.
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Old 08-03-2009, 09:08 PM
 
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I don't especially like it myself but the American people chooses for it to be that way every time they make a WalMart purchase which is often.

That's harsh truth.
The choice is rational and proper in a market economy.

Of course one could argue that support for U.S. foreign policies (both Republican and Democratic) that bolster economic disparity in developing countries like Korea, Indonesia, China and Malaysia didn't help matters but that's another topic.
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Old 08-03-2009, 09:08 PM
 
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I think Benjamin Franklin said it best:

"No nation was ever ruined by trade."
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Old 08-03-2009, 09:39 PM
 
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traders aint trade
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Old 08-03-2009, 11:22 PM
 
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Solution = protectionism
We are producing less and less and the "Free market" people keep on pushing our economy towards an economy of service jobs (Wal-mart, Lowe's, Home Depot, McDonalds, etc, etc)
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Old 08-03-2009, 11:45 PM
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Location: Phoenix,AZ
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We burned ourselves with the OSHA laws, employment laws, Unions, EPA, taxes, et al.


While everyone "meant" well, the actions killed us.

I really don't think the executives in India, China, et al care about the "welfare" of their workers or the surrounding neighborhoods of factories.

There's gonna be a big price to pay.

While we don't really care about "drain cleaner" so much as where it's made, we gotta be concerned about toothpaste and such.

We toasted ourselves with the automobile manufacturing, slit our wrists with TV's and stereos, and are currently getting slaughtered with the integrated circuit thing, we are gonna be in a constant battle with improving our manufacturing processes.

Sheesh. Had a question with our lender about the escrow account we have for taxes on one of our homes....Yep.


I got India. I could not understand her.

2 days on the telephone, I finally reached San Fran. English? Woot!

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Old 08-03-2009, 11:46 PM
 
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Solution = protectionism
We are producing less and less and the "Free market" people keep on pushing our economy towards an economy of service jobs (Wal-mart, Lowe's, Home Depot, McDonalds, etc, etc)
Protect what exactly? Steel, auto, ship building, electronic component assembly what non-existent or marginally insignificant (from a global perspective) sector of the American economy? That train left the station decades ago.

The U.S. is no longer able to manipulate foreign markets so... true to all known concepts of markets, those who can produce products at lower cost win. You can try to "protect" existing American jobs, but you can not stop the movement of capital and capital will always gravitate to those markets where greater profits can be realized.
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Old 08-03-2009, 11:52 PM
 
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I hear the phrase "American jobs" alot when people are talking about globalization. The phrase implies that we as an individual American have a legal right to the job that we are at.

You hear many Americans saying "these are our jobs that are being shipped overseas", As if we own them. This is a capitalist system that we are under; there is no ours. The only way that one should feel obligated to a job is if it were under a communist system. If Raul & Fidel Castro decide to buy Cuba's supply of textiles (clothing) from Malaysia instead of having the Cuban people make them, then the Cuban textile workers could say "the Malaysians are taking our jobs." Why? Because the Communist economic system is a collective; the people own the means of production, i.e. the Cuban people own the company, the machines, the land that they facility is on; they are obligated to the profits. The wealth of the Cuban nation belongs to all the people of Cuba.

The wealth of the United States of America belongs only to the most innovative and best capitalists, i.e. individuals. So when IBM ships more jobs to India and Americans lose the positions they once held, just remember that the Americans are working for a group of capitalists who have a right to move their operations anywhere they want to;. IBM & other capitalists have no legal or moral obligation to only provide jobs & wealth to the people of the same nationality as them.

The American who feels that his/her job belongs to him/her has only one of two options:

1) Move to India, Mexico, China, Brazil, or wherever their job goes.

2) Start a communist revolution in the United States so you as a citizen will be obligated to the job.

If you're not willing to do any of those things, then I suggest one needs to stop complaining and accept the system that one is under.
You need to read up on American history. The capitalists' "right" to move their operations anywhere they want to is a rather recent development--beginning with Reagan, and supported and intensified under Bush and Clinton.

Here's a little factoid for you: Corporations--by law--can exist only insofar as they benefit their American communities. If the Federal government deems, at any time, that an American corporation has failed to serve its community, it can walk into that corporation and shut it down. In a day. Yep. Just like that. The fact that they haven't tells you just how profound the corporate stranglehold is on our government.
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