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Old 08-17-2009, 01:11 PM
 
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Even one such as you should be able to tell the difference between the terms "healthcare reform" and "health insurance reform". One is supposed to actually perform health care. The other, the method to pay for it. The lie is trying to combine the two into one entity. Of course, if the government plans succeeds, that is exactly what will happen.

I can see how you would get confused.
Tell us why this matters... It isn't as though he was discussing how he was going to reform the way doctors do business and then changed up in mid-stream and said that he'd change how health insurance companies do business.

As delusianne said, had you bothered to read it, the American Public was apparently confused (read ignorant because they didn't bother to read anything on it) by the term "healthcare" reform..... Obama obliged the masses and re-termed it what it more accurately is: "health insurance" reform....

Now you want to claim that he was "lying"?? I think you need more practice at connect-the-dots, because they don't connect here.
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Old 08-17-2009, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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The more I listen to Conservative talk radio, the sicker I get. They repeat the same lines almost like religion. I have come to realize that only a very brainwashed and irrational person could believe in these lies, most of them have no idea what they are talking about and are just conditioned over time to repeat the same irrational, stupid lines as if they were gospel. "The Founding Fathers..." like that ignorant woman at the townhall meeting that talked about the "sleeping giant". Bunch of hooey!
By woman at townhall meeting, are you referring to the fake doctor who was an Obama delegate or the "mean sign" young girl whose mother works for the DNC.

Exposed: The little “mean signs girl” Julia Hall from New Hampshire Townhall not so random afterall | Fire Andrea Mitchell!


I noticed you decided to not list any of these "lies". That speaks volumes.
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Old 08-17-2009, 01:15 PM
 
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So because they get tax breaks for their donations they are still evil? You you rather them not make the donations? You are trying to distract from the truth.

Truth: Government gives tax breaks for charitable donations......good thing

Another truth: Large corporations and wealth make donations, receive tax breaks......everyone wins, another good thing

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So the government robs the nations coffers by funnelling corporate tax money into charitable organizations and giving the companies a discount on their taxes as incentive for doing it, right?

I'll sit here and wait for the Republican/Conservative OUTRAGE over another program of government waste here.....

<chirp, chirp, chirp>
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Old 08-17-2009, 01:28 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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So the government robs the nations coffers by funnelling corporate tax money into charitable organizations and giving the companies a discount on their taxes as incentive for doing it, right?

I'll sit here and wait for the Republican/Conservative OUTRAGE over another program of government waste here.....

<chirp, chirp, chirp>
It's better than them taxing me and me paying for your lazy ass!
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Old 08-17-2009, 01:33 PM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Just guessing based on the assumptions you made and the conclusions you drew from them.
That does seem to be your primary method of operation. Guessing what others think and declaring your guesses true, guessing what the government means and declaring it true.

Seems to be a pattern here.........
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Old 08-17-2009, 01:35 PM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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As you yourself said, they're the same thing. I think I explained fairly well why they're having to spell out exactly WHAT is intended to be reformed, since people have chosen to misunderstand so profoundly. Nothing sinister about it.
To the thinking person, different names would indicate different things. Changing a name to fit your agenda and trying to fool the gullible is the same as lying.

Of course, I wouldn't expect you to understand that.
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Old 08-17-2009, 01:36 PM
 
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So the government robs the nations coffers by funnelling corporate tax money into charitable organizations and giving the companies a discount on their taxes as incentive for doing it, right?

No...they are just taking less. Robbing incinuates that they own the money. They do not. On track with this topic, one of my biggest issues with government charity (welfare) is that vast inefficiencies that exist. If the government gives a tax incentive for a company to donate, the money donated with benefit the poor better than if it had first trickled through the great bureaucracy.
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Old 08-17-2009, 01:38 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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To the thinking person, different names would indicate different things. Changing a name to fit your agenda and trying to fool the gullible is the same as lying.

Of course, I wouldn't expect you to understand that.
Predos, you are wasting your breath. Liberals operate on semantics and sentence welding. They will always tell you that you are too dumb to understand what things mean. Everything is "read between the lines (lies)" with them.
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Old 08-17-2009, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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such as what?
Here are some liberal lies:

"Global warming will doom us all!" Oh, I forgot; now it's called "climate change."

"President Reagan's and Bush's tax cuts were for the rich."

"Republicans like wars."
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Old 08-17-2009, 01:39 PM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Tell us why this matters... It isn't as though he was discussing how he was going to reform the way doctors do business and then changed up in mid-stream and said that he'd change how health insurance companies do business.

As delusianne said, had you bothered to read it, the American Public was apparently confused (read ignorant because they didn't bother to read anything on it) by the term "healthcare" reform..... Obama obliged the masses and re-termed it what it more accurately is: "health insurance" reform....

Now you want to claim that he was "lying"?? I think you need more practice at connect-the-dots, because they don't connect here.
Some courses in logic would do you good. Of course it isn't lying when the liberal do it, only when conservatives do. Now why didn't I see that?
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