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Look, I'm not trying to belittle this, but I'll just tell you what I've seen in my church life: I never heard of Ted Haggard until his scandal broke, and I've never heard of any of these (horrible) groups you mentioned. I would think that if I've gone to conservative evangelical churches for over a decade, I would have heard of these groups, and I haven't. I have no idea who they are. So that tells me that they're not nearly as influential among christians as you might think. Hell, James Dobson isn't even talked about that much among my fellow christians! Televangelists are seen as an embarrassment to the faith--a mockery of Jesus. And I've never met one who hung on their every word as truth.
We get our christian teaching from our Bibles and our pastor's teaching--teaching that doesn't involve politics, or culture wars or crap like that. The pastoral teaching I get helps me to follow Jesus better, not how to denigrate gays etc...I mean, go on thinking that these groups and mega-church pastors have influence if you like, but I'm telling you that they're irrelevant. I have to stand by what I've observed, and I've been observing for a while.
Just out of couriosity, have you ever thought to actually research groups like the Chaldeon Foundation, the "Moral Majority" (sic), and pretty much any Christian groups with "family" in their title?
And as just as example, the "700 Club" (Pat Robertson, along with Fallwell, was a student of Rushdooney, founder of the Christian Reconstructionist Movement, and forwards the ideals of that organization) claims just over 28 million viwers monthly according to the Neilsen Ratings. This doesn't include Pat's books either.
I would also strongly suggest, to everyone, that they investigate exactly what the stated purpose of Pat's "Regents Universerty School of Law" is, and how many of it's graduates were put in place within the Judicial by the past Administration.
Originally posted by AxisMundi
Just out of couriosity, have you ever thought to actually research groups like the Chaldeon Foundation, the "Moral Majority" (sic), and pretty much any Christian groups with "family" in their title?
And as just as example, the "700 Club" (Pat Robertson, along with Fallwell, was a student of Rushdooney, founder of the Christian Reconstructionist Movement, and forwards the ideals of that organization) claims just over 28 million viwers monthly according to the Neilsen Ratings. This doesn't include Pat's books either.
I would also strongly suggest, to everyone, that they investigate exactly what the stated purpose of Pat's "Regents Universerty School of Law" is, and how many of it's graduates were put in place within the Judicial by the past Administration.
I used to listen to Focus on the Family quite a bit, but then he started using his show to basically promote the Republican party, and it turned me off. I don't have a lot of respect for James Dobson.
That is interesting about the 700 Club. I always wondered who watched that show, because he's kind of on the periphery of the evangelical movement. I for one think the guy's a nut.
Jerry Falwell...yes, he was pretty big in the 80s, I'll grant you that. But I was a young kid then, so I don't remember much.
A Christian follows your Bible, the Bible is a rather violent book.
My classifications still stands.
Something that fundamentally separates Christianity from Judaism and Islam is the New Testament and Christ. Christians are called as such for a reason. I treat Old Testament as a book of history as written by people over the ages. And yes, history can often speak violence.
Something that fundamentally separates Christianity from Judaism and Islam is the New Testament and Christ. Christians are called as such for a reason. I treat Old Testament as a book of history as written by people over the ages. And yes, history can often speak violence.
The New Testement is also jambed packed full of good ol' violence as well.
Look, while there are many "good" Christians, you can't distance youself from the "bad" Christians by claiming they aren't Christians.
The "bad" Christians use the same scripture "good" Christians follow, and they worship the same deities as well.
I used to listen to Focus on the Family quite a bit, but then he started using his show to basically promote the Republican party, and it turned me off. I don't have a lot of respect for James Dobson.
That is interesting about the 700 Club. I always wondered who watched that show, because he's kind of on the periphery of the evangelical movement. I for one think the guy's a nut.
Jerry Falwell...yes, he was pretty big in the 80s, I'll grant you that. But I was a young kid then, so I don't remember much.
Fallwell is one of the reasons I devoted myself to exposing these people, as well as Dobson and any others who promote a theopolitical agenda for the US. Fallwell led me to his mentor, Rushdooney and his Christian Reconstructionist Movement, and their ongoing behind the scenes theodemocratic agenda.
Also, 28 million a month isn't exactly a "fringe". That's some ten percent of the US Christian population. Add in the audiences of the other TV Evangelists that hold to Rushdooney's form of Calvanist views, and the "fringe" grows.
I've noticed quite a few things in the decades of my self-imposed duty...
Many Christians are "closet haters", they simply don't want to appear to uphold and support the CRM movement, and other religious intolerances and hate, yet they still donate to these organizations and people and buy their books.
Most Christians who do NOT support those agendas refuse to even consider for a moment that there is indeed a strong movement to theocracize the US and put in place laws desigend to force everyone, in effect, to be Christians. The recent spat of "death penalty for child molesters" is a perfect example. This can be traced dierectly back to the Chaldeon Foundation and the stated goals of the CRM, to slowly introduce such legislation until homosexuality is again punishable by death in this Nation.
How is saying "gays should be executed" not illegal? I'm failing to comprehend how terrorism fits into the first amendment. Somebody please explain this to me. Didn't the pastor make threat comments against the President too? That is awful and unprotected speech.
Like it or not, it's not illegal to say such things. But threads against the president may be, I believe.
Originally posted by AxisMundi
Doesn't mean they weren't Christians.
And please, show in your scriptures where "hate is a heresy".
I'll have to dig up the verses, but I'll have to do it tomorrow. I'm just too tired right now. but I promise I'll get back to you either by PM or on this thread.
Take care, and good night
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