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What's truly weird is not associating Jesus with socialistic ideals - but that you think socialism is politics!
Socialism is an economical system, not political rule.
Learn the difference between communism and socialism. Most americans don't even know!
No, I was simply using what YOU said (Jesus = first socialist 'party' leader.)
You didn't say 'socialism', you said socialist 'party' (did you not?)
I know the difference between the two...do you? Based on your original comment and then your follow-up comment, you do not.
I'll ignore your low level attack on me and focus on the bolded comment. That's what I thought Christians were suppose to do? If you're Christian, loving thy neighbor should be a given as should the money you contribute to support all thy American neighbors. You donate to roads, schools, defense, elderly medicine etc. without a problem BUT not healthcare for all? Not very Christian to me.
Your mixing issues. Healtcare is not a right. Healthcare is not what we donate to the Church for. Healthcare is a private matter.
Christians help those in need, but not just anyone with a hand out. That isn't the purpose of the Church, to redistribute wealth.
You're only using this issue to ridicule Christianity. You despise it. And you're looking for reasons to justify your hatred.
You do not ask sincerely. Sorry. If you want to know what Christianity is all about (sincerely), study the Bible. Ask God for insite. Join a church.
But do not come here and throw stones at Christians.
If anything, Jesus was just a dude. A dude who could speak and get people to follow him - like David Koresh, or Bush, Manson, or Obama.
Reasoning with someone who believes that a person is actually a deity in the clouds, and uses circular arguments to back their claims, is futile.
Such blasphamy! He wasn't "a deity in the clouds". He was/is GOD.
Koresh, Bush, Manson, or Obama, could do none of the things Christ did. Most importantly, when they die, they are dead. They cannot reappear, alive, as Jesus did (and the witnesses wrote about it).
Sorry. The testimony of those living at the time says your wrong.
I really couldn't care less if you believe it or not. That's your problem. Not mine.
Your mixing issues. Healtcare is not a right. Healthcare is not what we donate to the Church for. Healthcare is a private matter.
Christians help those in need, but not just anyone with a hand out. That isn't the purpose of the Church, to redistribute wealth.
You're only using this issue to ridicule Christianity. You despise it. And you're looking for reasons to justify your hatred.
You do not ask sincerely. Sorry. If you want to know what Christianity is all about (sincerely), study the Bible. Ask God for insite. Join a church.
But do not come here and throw stones at Christians.
I'm not mixing issues, you're trying to set the plate, serve the food, eat and clean the shyt up. You're setting you're own criteria to generousity. "Christians help those in need"..That should be the end of that statement, no caveats or "buts" if you're a true Christian. The church in fact redistributes the tithes paid to the church to support the programs ran by the church. God doesn't write checks. I actually don't hate Christianity, I hate Christian hypocrites. They pretend to be generous but have stipulations. Jesus didn't have stipulations. If you came to him, he gave to you.
Again, I'm not throwing stones at Christianity, I'm throwing stones at those that misrepresent Christianity, that present themselves as being above others when their actions show them as selfish corporatists.
How do you ask God for insight? Which God? Which Bible? Which Church? What time? In what way?
Wrong. And government was set up for a reason. It gave people the collective power to manage this country and its interests. Unless, you also believe that it was a huge mistake on the founders' part.
The only solution would be to get out of society. By being a part of it, you're adhering to collectivism (and being a hypocrite complaining about it).
It was only a matter of time...
Hitler ran on socialistic ground but wasn't even close to it. He was an oligarch, looking for power at any cost. A totalitarian, who used and abused religion and race to propagate his cause. He was not a commoner's leader. He was for big business and hated blue collar workers (went the distance to abolish trade unions, and imprisoned the union leaders). He didn't care about the state, he cared about power to himself, and the rich who sat on his side to run the show.
The NAZI party was huge - probably larger than the U.S. Republican party during the GWB rule period.
The NAZI party was ruled by a few, just as the U.S. Republican party was ruled by D*ck Cheney during the "Bush" rule.
Outsourcing U.S. labor to slave labor States comprises the same contempt for workers that Hitler exercised in, and outside of, Germany.
The Bush regime "used and abused religion and race to propagate his cause", like Hitler.
And the Bush regime married Big Business to the Government. Haliburton is but only one example.
Hitler got everyone goosestepping to Der Faderland (The State).
Really? Could you please point me to some teaching in the Bible to back up that claim? Chapter and verse, please.
Plainly, you don't know what you are talking about.
His parents were Jewish. His teachings were liberal. What else do you need?
Now the Bible, that's a different story. You know that there is more than one book on the subject of Jesus, right? The Bible has often been used through history to oppose democracy and women's rights, to justify slavery and even mass murder. So, no. I have no Bible verse for you, just that the teachings of the man himself seem rather in sync with liberal ideology, more so than current American conservative ideology.
It's amazing that people keep on saying this lie.
If Jesus is God, how can God be jewish and preach christianity?
Ummm are you for real? It was called Christianity (originally "The Way") because they (believers) believed Christ, that he was who he said he was, GOD.
The Gospel of Christ (which became known as Christianity) was that God (The Word) became "flesh" and came to save us from our sins (atonement, by his death and resurection) for all who believe. He died on our behalf, the perfect sacrifice.
But, you don't understand unless you understand Judaism and the system of sacrifices and what that was all about.
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Originally Posted by Dopo
If Jesus is God, he can't be a religious person he's God
Are you serious?
That has to be the dumbest statement I have ever heard.
Ummm are you for real? It was called Christianity (originally "The Way") because they (believers) believed Christ, that he was who he said he was, GOD.
The Gospel of Christ (which became known as Christianity) was that God (The Word) became "flesh" and came to save us from our sins (atonement, by his death and resurection) for all who believe. He died on our behalf, the perfect sacrifice.
But, you don't understand unless you understand Judaism and the system of sacrifices and what that was all about.
Are you serious?
That has to be the dumbest statement I have ever heard.
Ummm are you for real? It was called Christianity (originally "The Way") because they (believers) believed Christ, that he was who he said he was, GOD. The Gospel of Christ (which became known as Christianity) was that God (The Word) became "flesh" and came to save us from our sins (atonement, by his death and resurection) for all who believe. He died on our behalf, the perfect sacrifice.
I see why you believe whatever foxnews tells you.
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