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I can't either....what an embarrassment she is to decent people!
When and how does re-districting take place?
It takes place in the state house after the census in 2010. I hear Mn. will lose one rep so they will have to draw up the maps around 7 reps instead of 8. Remember Bachmann is telling people not to fill out their census form
In 2000 when they redistricted the republicans had control of the house. They set up that little sweet heart district so republicans would never lose it. Expect democrats to return the favor this time around.
Sorry I was such a thread killer....it always happens when :
The 14 poins of Fascism are posted and the repubs find themselves looking in the mirror.
And when I ask them WHO, if not the government, will "rein in" the insurance companies.
sorry, i dont have much time right now... .but a quick glance at your 14 points was interesting.
I wolud like to know where you came up with them. I agree that it reflects some aspect of facisim certainly the Nazi version.
Obama isnt a Nazi. But I sure would like to revist a bit because I did see at least one glaring omition which is the blending of government and business (this is a major tenant of facism)
and I would also like to consider the differences between Naziism and facism. the Nazi's were certainly facists but they were a differnt breed from both the Italians and the Spainish versions.
It is sad that when we use a term like Facism, everyone automatically jumps to certain conclusions. (swasiticas and gas chambers).
When there is ligitmate discussion to be had that doesnt mean you are calling the president a Nazi.
So, do you not see a blending of government and business taking place right now with the Obama adminstration?
Fascism: "1. a. Totalitarianism, marked by right-wing dictatorship and bellicose nationalism. b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government. 2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.
Nazi Germany was fascist. Nazis displayed "bellicose" nationalism. They believed they (the Germans) were superior to all others. Hence, they sought to exterminate Jews, Christians, and others.
A love for America and patriotism, along with a sincere desire to preserve what our founders gave us, for our children, our grandchildren, and their children, is not bellicose nationalism. To imply that Bachmann is a fascist is pure nonsense and ignorance.
The Obama administration, is exercising "oppressive dictatorial control", and is therefor, in my opinion, based on what they are doing, and what they have done, is looking a lot like fascists.
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Originally Posted by Who?Me?!
This McCarthy Junior wanted members of Congress investigated for "Anti-American" comments because they disagreed with her....that SHOULD frighten and warn you...
Some members of Congress certainly ought to be investigated. Many are as anti-America as Obama and his friends, including Jeremiah Wright.
Fascism: "1. a. Totalitarianism, marked by right-wing dictatorship and bellicose nationalism. b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government. 2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.
Nazi Germany was fascist. Nazis displayed "bellicose" nationalism. They believed they (the Germans) were superior to all others. Hence, they sought to exterminate Jews, Christians, and others.
A love for America and patriotism, along with a sincere desire to preserve what our founders gave us, for our children, our grandchildren, and their children, is not bellicose nationalism. To imply that Bachmann is a fascist is pure nonsense and ignorance.
The Obama administration, is exercising "oppressive dictatorial control", and is therefor, in my opinion, based on what they are doing, and what they have done, is looking a lot like fascists.
Some members of Congress certainly ought to be investigated. Many are as anti-America as Obama and his friends, including Jeremiah Wright.
I wouldn't mind seeing every member of congress and senate investigated.
I wouldn't mind seeing every member of congress and senate investigated.
Me too, love to see THEIR accounts in Swiss banks... love to see who really owns their votes and see what bills and earmarks they've all sponsored for their fat-cat donors.
Meanwhile, I think a lot of the loonies in the GOP have already swapped body fluids, given the widespread level of dumbness in people like Bachmann, Bush, Foley, Craig, Vitter, and many more. It's like a vaccine of sorts for them, makes them all dumb and incapable of rational thought or worthy actions.
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sorry, i dont have much time right now... .but a quick glance at your 14 points was interesting.
I wolud like to know where you came up with them. I agree that it reflects some aspect of facisim certainly the Nazi version. ""
NOTE: The above 14 Points was written in 2004 by Dr. Laurence Britt, a political scientist. Dr. Britt studied the fascist regimes of: Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile).
"""Obama isnt a Nazi. But I sure would like to revist a bit because I did see at least one glaring omition which is the blending of government and business (this is a major tenant of facism)
and I would also like to consider the differences between Naziism and facism. the Nazi's were certainly facists but they were a differnt breed from both the Italians and the Spainish versions.
It is sad that when we use a term like Facism, everyone automatically jumps to certain conclusions. (swasiticas and gas chambers).
When there is ligitmate discussion to be had that doesnt mean you are calling the president a Nazi.
So, do you not see a blending of government and business taking place right now with the Obama adminstration?
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Originally Posted by Who?Me?!
No, YOU don't know what Fascism is.
Bachmann fits :
14 POINTS OF FASCISM
1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism
From the prominent displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins, the fervor to show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the regime itself and of citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always obvious. Catchy slogans, pride in the military, and demands for unity were common themes in expressing this nationalism. It was usually coupled with a suspicion of things foreign that often bordered on xenophobia. 2. Disdain for the importance of human rights
The regimes themselves viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the objectives of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the population was brought to accept these human rights abuses by marginalizing, even demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was egregious, the tactic was to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation. 3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause
The most significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating as a means to divert the people’s attention from other problems, to shift blame for failures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions. The methods of choice—relentless propaganda and disinformation—were usually effective. Often the regimes would incite “spontaneous” acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists, socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals, and “terrorists.” Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly. 4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism
Ruling elites always identified closely with the military and the industrial infrastructure that supported it. A disproportionate share of national resources was allocated to the military, even when domestic needs were acute. The military was seen as an expression of nationalism, and was used whenever possible to assert national goals, intimidate other nations, and increase the power and prestige of the ruling elite. 5. Rampant sexism
Beyond the simple fact that the political elite and the national culture were male-dominated, these regimes inevitably viewed women as second-class citizens. They were adamantly anti-abortion and also homophobic. These attitudes were usually codified in Draconian laws that enjoyed strong support by the orthodox religion of the country, thus lending the regime cover for its abuses. 6. A controlled mass media
Under some of the regimes, the mass media were under strict direct control and could be relied upon never to stray from the party line. Other regimes exercised more subtle power to ensure media orthodoxy. Methods included the control of licensing and access to resources, economic pressure, appeals to patriotism, and implied threats. The leaders of the mass media were often politically compatible with the power elite. The result was usually success in keeping the general public unaware of the regimes’ excesses. 7. Obsession with national security
Inevitably, a national security apparatus was under direct control of the ruling elite. It was usually an instrument of oppression, operating in secret and beyond any constraints. Its actions were justified under the rubric of protecting “national security,” and questioning its activities was portrayed as unpatriotic or even treasonous. 8. Religion and ruling elite tied together
Unlike communist regimes, the fascist and protofascist regimes were never proclaimed as godless by their opponents. In fact, most of the regimes attached themselves to the predominant religion of the country and chose to portray themselves as militant defenders of that religion. The fact that the ruling elite’s behavior was incompatible with the precepts of the religion was generally swept under the rug. Propaganda kept up the illusion that the ruling elites were defenders of the faith and opponents of the “godless.” A perception was manufactured that opposing the power elite was tantamount to an attack on religion. 9.Power of corporations protected """(NO health care reform need so Insurance Cororations can keep feeding off Americans)""
Although the personal life of ordinary citizens was under strict control, the ability of large corporations to operate in relative freedom was not compromised. The ruling elite saw the corporate structure as a way to not only ensure military production (in developed states), but also as an additional means of social control. Members of the economic elite were often pampered by the political elite to ensure a continued mutuality of interests, especially in the repression of “have-not” citizens. 10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated
Since organized labor was seen as the one power center that could challenge the political hegemony of the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was inevitably crushed or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass, viewed with suspicion or outright contempt. Under some regimes, being poor was considered akin to a vice. 11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts
Intellectuals and the inherent freedom of ideas and expression associated with them were anathema to these regimes. Intellectual and academic freedom were considered subversive to national security and the patriotic ideal. Universities were tightly controlled; politically unreliable faculty harassed or eliminated. Unorthodox ideas or expressions of dissent were strongly attacked, silenced, or crushed. To these regimes, art and literature should serve the national interest or they had no right to exist. 12. Obsession with crime and punishment
Most of these regimes maintained Draconian systems of criminal justice with huge prison populations. The police were often glorified and had almost unchecked power, leading to rampant abuse. “Normal” and political crime were often merged into trumped-up criminal charges and sometimes used against political opponents of the regime. Fear, and hatred, of criminals or “traitors” was often promoted among the population as an excuse for more police power. 13. Rampant cronyism and corruption
Those in business circles and close to the power elite often used their position to enrich themselves. This corruption worked both ways; the power elite would receive financial gifts and property from the economic elite, who in turn would gain the benefit of government favoritism. Members of the power elite were in a position to obtain vast wealth from other sources as well: for example, by stealing national resources. With the national security apparatus under control and the media muzzled, this corruption was largely unconstrained and not well understood by the general population. 14. Fraudulent elections
Elections in the form of plebiscites or public opinion polls were usually bogus. When actual elections with candidates were held, they would usually be perverted by the power elite to get the desired result. Common methods included maintaining control of the election machinery, intimidating and disenfranchising opposition voters, destroying or disallowing legal votes, and, as a last resort, turning to a judiciary beholden to the power elite.
NOTE: The above 14 Points was written in 2004 by Dr. Laurence Britt, a political scientist. Dr. Britt studied the fascist regimes of: Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile).
As you read through, and I'm sure you will, you'll find Bachmann in more than the ones I have bolded.
This McCarthy Junior wanted members of Congress investigated for "Anti-Ameircan" comments because they disagreed with her....that SHOULD frighten and warn you...
""""""""""9.Power of corporations protected """(NO health care reform need so Insurance Cororations can keep feeding off Americans)""
Although the personal life of ordinary citizens was under strict control, the ability of large corporations to operate in relative freedom was not compromised. The ruling elite saw the corporate structure as a way to not only ensure military production (in developed states), but also as an additional means of social control. Members of the economic elite were often pampered by the political elite to ensure a continued mutuality of interests, especially in the repression of “have-not” citizens. 10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated
Since organized labor was seen as the one power center that could challenge the political hegemony of the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was inevitably crushed or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass, viewed with suspicion or outright contempt. Under some regimes, being poor was considered akin to a vice."""""""
Ferd, """So, do you not see a blending of government and business taking place right now with the Obama adminstration?[/"""
Government and business have always been intertwined.
But No. 9 and 10 accurately described the Republican regimes from Reagan to Bush II
But No. 9 and 10 accurately described the Republican regimes from Reagan to Bush II
There's a difference.
I feel no compunction to defend GWB. In the words of Sachel Page, "Dont look back something might be gaining on you"
But looking forward, I think there is a valuable discussion here.
I read the other day on Huffington post a long article about the entertwining between General Electric and the Obama adminstration. MSNBC is a division of GE and clearly very supportive (one could argue verging on pro-obama propaganda)
Then there are the reports I have seen suggesting that Obama has gotten agreements in secret from the insurance industry on the healthcare plan. the industry is spending millions in support of the plan but no one knows exactly what Obama's team conceeded to, to get their agreement.
We could talk about TARP and the relationship between the goverment and the banking industry, the Car industry..etc.
There are certainly other areas where clearly you Obama doesnt fit the term "Facist" but there are areas of deep concern... I would think even the most liberal among us would be concerned about the role the healthcare insurance companies are playing right now....
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