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Old 09-13-2009, 01:34 PM
 
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Sorry but Pat.B is right and for him being a throw back to the 1930's thats pretty damn funny when the Dems still have Sen. Bryd(remember KKK) running around..

So please think before you write.
Well, at least I agree with you about Byrd, but that's irrelevant. I think you know very little about Buchanan. Someone on this thread called him a xenophobe. That's a gross understatement. Here's a little reading for your enlightenment.
Aaron Keyak: Why is Pat Buchanan Defending Hitler?
Pat Buchanan's history of anti-Semitism, Racism, and Homophobia
Pat Buchanan Promotes New Book On Racist Radio Show
What would Pat Buchanan have to say to get himself fired from MSNBC? | Media Matters for America
And to sum it up, click on the outrage (to be kind, a couple are just allegations) of your choice: Allied with Fringe Anti-Semite Socialists -- Did Venereal Disease Keep Him Out of the Army? -- Watergate -- dirty tricks, IRS abuses, obstruction of justice -- Disgruntled Staff -- Hypocrite -- Praise for Hitler -- Racist -- Holocaust Revisionism -- Anti-Semitic Statements -- Defender of Nazis -- Sheltered Washington Insider -- All talk, no action (the Republican Jesse Jackson) -- Flirting With Fascism -- Assaulted Police Officers --Quotes -- Sources
Pat Buchanan is a very interesting character.
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Old 09-13-2009, 01:48 PM
 
Location: California
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Multiple races and ethnicities are a 'workable' propositon. Multiple cultures are not.
I actually agree with this. Multiple cultures under common law of the land don't work. You can REMEMBER cultures, celebrate them, teach about them, etc. but you can't expect to continue LIVING them when you are part of a bigger picture.
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Old 09-13-2009, 01:57 PM
 
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You guys are too much. once united soceity had a common culture? Really? Are you talking about just White Americans?
Well yes, for most of its history the US was +90% white.
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Old 09-13-2009, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Buchanan is certainly an intelligent man, however loathsome I find some of his views. I say, let's get on with the divorce. I don't want to be governed by credulous, anti-intellectual hicks. I don't want to breathe the same air.
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Old 09-13-2009, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Maine
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Well yes, for most of its history the US was +90% white.
Okay, I tried to find anything I could to substantiate your claim and could not. The U.S.A. has had huge numbers of non caucasian immigrants, both willing and unwilling throughout it's history not to mention the native people that were here to begin with.
At differing times the population of African origin slaves outnumbered their caucasian counterparts by three to one in the southern States. There was also a huge influx of Asian, primarily Chinese in the western States.
Now,.. I may be wrong,... wouldn't be the first time but, I can not find anything to back up the claim that the U.S. of A. was ever 90% "white".
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Old 09-13-2009, 04:05 PM
 
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You guys are too much. once united soceity had a common culture? Really? Are you talking about just White Americans?
Not at all. I'm Catholic....but have never lived in a country 'ruled' by the Catholic church...(nor would I want to). My wife's Indian....but has never lived under tribal law...nor taken orders from a 'chief', nor lived as a nomad. Many of my relatives are of Mexican descent...but live as Americans, with the protection of American law, and the US court system. My niece is Japanese, but doesn't live as such...and my god-daughter is black, yet does not live as an African. ALL of the people I know, in my family and acquaintances, live under 'American' cultural norms, enjoying 'American' freedoms, under a legal system originally BASED on English Common law (but actually an improvement on that). The deed to my house...(and the property of EVERYONE who lives in the US) is described in terms of the land-survey system of the US....derived from British concepts of private property. In fact, many scholars on the subject have insisted that our entire US 'system' is based on the right to own, buy, sell, and use, private property....again, a notion derived from English common law.

Tell me, please...what is "white" culture? I'm not aware of what that means. Are there 'white' laws?....or 'white' rules of behavior? Is there a 'white' language, forbidden for non-whites to speak? Can you name a 'white' holiday...or a 'white' way of doing math? What exactly is 'white' culture, and is it unavailable to non-whites?
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Old 09-13-2009, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Not at all. I'm Catholic....but have never lived in a country 'ruled' by the Catholic church...(nor would I want to). My wife's Indian....but has never lived under tribal law...nor taken orders from a 'chief', nor lived as a nomad. Many of my relatives are of Mexican descent...but live as Americans, with the protection of American law, and the US court system. My niece is Japanese, but doesn't live as such...and my god-daughter is black, yet does not live as an African. ALL of the people I know, in my family and acquaintances, live under 'American' cultural norms, enjoying 'American' freedoms, under a legal system originally BASED on English Common law (but actually an improvement on that). The deed to my house...(and the property of EVERYONE who lives in the US) is described in terms of the land-survey system of the US....derived from British concepts of private property. In fact, many scholars on the subject have insisted that our entire US 'system' is based on the right to own, buy, sell, and use, private property....again, a notion derived from English common law.

Tell me, please...what is "white" culture? I'm not aware of what that means. Are there 'white' laws?....or 'white' rules of behavior? Is there a 'white' language, forbidden for non-whites to speak? Can you name a 'white' holiday...or a 'white' way of doing math? What exactly is 'white' culture, and is it unavailable to non-whites?
Nicely put macmeal..European concept do not equate to "White".
Gotta spread the rep though but I owe ya one for this post.
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Old 09-13-2009, 04:19 PM
 
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Okay, I tried to find anything I could to substantiate your claim and could not. The U.S.A. has had huge numbers of non caucasian immigrants, both willing and unwilling throughout it's history not to mention the native people that were here to begin with.
At differing times the population of African origin slaves outnumbered their caucasian counterparts by three to one in the southern States. There was also a huge influx of Asian, primarily Chinese in the western States.
Now,.. I may be wrong,... wouldn't be the first time but, I can not find anything to back up the claim that the U.S. of A. was ever 90% "white".
That may have been true in some areas, for a few years...but I agree, it's a stretch. Some authors have stated that over 25% of ALL 'cowhands' during the great western 'trail drives' of the years just after the Civil War were blacks or Hispanics. For some of its early chaotic history, the inhabitants of Nevada were over 25% Chinese....both Mississippi AND South Carolina, if I'm not mistaken, were, for part of their history, majority black. LARGE areas of Texas and New Mexico were majority Hispanic, and remain so today. "90% white"?....I find that a dubious claim...though, as you say, I don't have the figures to prove it wrong.

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Old 09-13-2009, 04:20 PM
 
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Nicely put macmeal..European concept do not equate to "White".
Gotta spread the rep though but I owe ya one for this post.

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Old 09-13-2009, 04:26 PM
 
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macmeal - you're right. he's not a racist, he's a xenophobe.
Probably so....but a 'xenophobe' in a nation which has probably made more room for 'foreigners' than any nation in the history of the world....whose whole population, just about, is descended from foreign immigrants.

Maybe he's a xenophobe (aren't MOST people, around the world ?)...or maybe he's just 'grumpy'....I don't know.
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