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Old 10-15-2009, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Appalachian Trail Homeless, USA
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Even large businesses can't always afford it. It should be encouraged though, and the more help families could get in helping spend time with their babies, the better. Tax incentives seem to be one of the best options IMO. It would allow companies to give their employees a better standard of living, without automatically assuming they can afford to do it and stay in business. Protecting jobs is a good thing for families too.
According to many people here, Tax incentives to company and mothers will be a practice like socialism, and should not be chosen to use.

I personally don't think so and gov should be involved to help company/employer to pay the maternity leave. In this case, gov is people who pool all their money together to help all the mom within those people, not individual company.
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Old 10-15-2009, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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My cousin in the Czech Republic received 2 years of maternity leave at 3/4 pay, and her job was held for her. Some countries understand the importance of family. Some, like ours, don't.
Whoa! That's pretty generous. So conceivably, a woman can receive 10 to 20 years of maternity leave at 3/4 pay. All it requires is the desire to have 5 to 10 children.

Yeah there's no chance for abuse there.
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Old 10-15-2009, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Appalachian Trail Homeless, USA
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Whoa! That's pretty generous. So conceivably, a woman can receive 10 to 20 years of maternity leave at 3/4 pay. All it requires is the desire to have 5 to 10 children.
Yeah there's no chance for abuse there.
Seems like you forget to take into account of the risk during pregnancy and delivery.
People under those kind of welfare tend to spend more time to enjoy life than having more baby. All European country have a dropping rate of new birth, if I recollect correctly.
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Old 10-15-2009, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Seems like you forget to take into account of the risk during pregnancy and delivery.
People under those kind of welfare tend to spend more time to enjoy life than having more baby. All European country have a dropping rate of new birth, if I recollect correctly.
Yeah, I was going to bring that up.

I don't see anything wrong with limiting it to 2-3 kids.
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Old 10-16-2009, 01:46 AM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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It's insane to build a society in which 6-week-old infants are forced into $1000/month day care and are raised by strangers. All because employers think that their employees are owned by them. Revolting.
There used to be a time when mothers would raise their children. No daycare needed!
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Old 10-16-2009, 05:11 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Raising a child is a very important job....one of the most important.
It's up to the parents to provide the 'pay' for that choice of work.
It's up to an employer to give wages to whoever is showing up for work and providing him with a service.
If time off is part of an incentive package needed to obtain employees, fine. But that time off should be available to all equal employess.
I've never understood how paying somebody for not working, then having to also pay somebody else to do the work has become an accepted....indeed, an expected...thing.
The premise is basic....'wanting' something and not being able to afford it should mean , sorry, you don't get it or you give something else up in trade.
But then even though we're now seeing the results of the opposite attitude, the "I want what I want regardless" people aren't learning the lesson.
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Old 10-16-2009, 06:18 AM
 
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That's about how I feel.

As a society, family should come first. Ideally, if a person's elderly parents become ill and are in need of care, we should eventually have a health care system that allows for covered in-home health care for the elderly.

We should all put each other first, rather than the money-lenders and the insurance companies. Family and people first. That's the only way to build a stable society. A major reason for the disintegration of the American family is that the corporatization of our nation has been brutal. Workers treated like units of productivity, paid barely-living wages, a measly 2 weeks vacation from being chained to a desk, having to humiliate oneself when extra leave is needed (for illness or an unexpected event), being made to feel ungrateful or somehow "un-American" when protesting for better wages and working conditions, being expected to work out child care between 2 p.m. and 5:30 p.m. (most people's quitting time). People are exhausted, tired, guilty, anxious. One tragic anecdote among many: A lovely family in our city managed to buy a nice house in a decent middle-class neighborhood with good schools for their children. The mother worked at one job full-time; the father worked at one full-time job and one part-time job. One day, for whatever reason, the mother could not drop the youngest--an infant--off at day care, as she usually did. So she asked the father to do it, instead. At the end of his work day, he walked to the parking garage, and opened the door to his car to discover his dead infant, who has suffocated to death in the over 110 degree heat of the closed car. The father was so exhausted that he completely forgot that the child was in the back seat of the car. The reports said that he threw himself on the pavement and started screaming at the top of his lungs. It was horrible.

When are we going to start putting Americans and American families first? When are we REALLY going to "take back our country"? From the blood-sucking, boot-grinding Darth Vaders of Wall Street, buttressed by their little foot soldiers of hate? That's what I'd like to know.
Just finished reading Karl Marx, did you?
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Old 10-16-2009, 07:13 AM
 
Location: nc
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You can get insurance coverage for care in your home already but I'm not sure what the extra cost is, what are those things called? Riders?
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Old 10-16-2009, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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Raising a child is a very important job....one of the most important.
It's up to the parents to provide the 'pay' for that choice of work.
It's up to an employer to give wages to whoever is showing up for work and providing him with a service.
If time off is part of an incentive package needed to obtain employees, fine. But that time off should be available to all equal employess.
I've never understood how paying somebody for not working, then having to also pay somebody else to do the work has become an accepted....indeed, an expected...thing.
The premise is basic....'wanting' something and not being able to afford it should mean , sorry, you don't get it or you give something else up in trade.
But then even though we're now seeing the results of the opposite attitude, the "I want what I want regardless" people aren't learning the lesson.

That's easy to say from a person from a generation where one parent could actually stay home and parent the child

IN today's society.. that' is pretty much impossible.

used to be that a nice middle income job, the husband brining home the check and the wife being able to stay home with the child was the norm. When the couple hada family, the wife leaving her job or choosing to leave to stay home with teh child didn't put that famiily in danger of poverty!

My mom went to work only after we were in elementary school.. not because she HAD to work, but because she wanted to.. and the income was a nice "extra".

Those days are long long gone!

And then parents get flack for expecting schools, TV to raise their children (and that is why we have so many problems with youth in this country...because both parents are working like idiots just to stay afloat.. cause if one of them ended up actually staying home with the children they would risk losing it all!).

Staying at home these days with the child is a luxury. One that a lot of workign middle class families can not afford.
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Old 10-16-2009, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Florida
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That's easy to say from a person from a generation where one parent could actually stay home and parent the child

IN today's society.. that' is pretty much impossible.

used to be that a nice middle income job, the husband brining home the check and the wife being able to stay home with the child was the norm. When the couple hada family, the wife leaving her job or choosing to leave to stay home with teh child didn't put that famiily in danger of poverty!

My mom went to work only after we were in elementary school.. not because she HAD to work, but because she wanted to.. and the income was a nice "extra".

Those days are long long gone!



And then parents get flack for expecting schools, TV to raise their children (and that is why we have so many problems with youth in this country...because both parents are working like idiots just to stay afloat.. cause if one of them ended up actually staying home with the children they would risk losing it all!).

Staying at home these days with the child is a luxury. One that a lot of workign middle class families can not afford.
There are many who still do it.
The point is, if you can't afford a kid then plan and wait until you can .
You just said you were not planning another for now because of finances so why do you think others shouldn't do the same?
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