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Old 10-28-2009, 02:11 PM
 
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Rove was Bush's brain.
"With your looks and my brain" type partnerships seem to always end up in a transparent and smelly mess.
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Old 10-28-2009, 02:21 PM
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You're just wrong on this. I can list you multiple votes where the majority of Dems voted against the various Patriot Act laws but were defeated by Blue Dog dems joining forces with 99% GOP block voting.

That's not two sides of the same coin. That's a majority of good Dems taking on the system.
Yeah right, so what's your excuse now that the DEMS EXPANDED the PATRIOT ACT?!?!?!?!
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Old 10-28-2009, 02:24 PM
 
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Don't just grab a line from some random place and expect it to be taken seriously. Some people do go with the facts.

Kucinich first gained prominence in 1977 when, at age 31, he was elected mayor of Cleveland, becoming the youngest mayor ever elected in a major American city. During his campaign, Kucinich promised to save the struggling city-owned Municipal Light Co. When the company’s private competitor tried to force the city to sell, Mayor Kucinich refused. In response, the banks cut off credit and the City of Cleveland went into default. In 1979, Kucinich lost his bid for re-election. Years later, the Cleveland City Council would honor him for “having the courage and foresight to refuse to sell the city’s municipal electric system”—and saving ratepayers more than $100 million.

Kucinich Comes Back for 08 -- In These Times

As for seeing aliens...I run across a lot weirder characters here on CD.


This is the man, the mayor, who brought Cleveland to its knees financially. Under his "leadership," the city went into default.

The Worst Mayors (1820-1993)
Next, and seventh, is Cleveland's Dennis Kucinich (1977-79). Only thirty-one years old when elected, Cleveland's "boy" mayor had failings that were not the sins of venality or graft for personal gain, but rather matters of style, temperament, and bad judgment in office. Kucinich earned seventh place the hard way: by his abrasive, intemperate, and confrontational populist political style, which led to a disorderly and chaotic administration. He barely survived a recall vote just ten months into office, then disappeared for five weeks, reportedly recuperating from an ulcer. When he got back into the political fray, his demagogic rhetoric and slash-and-burn political style got him into serious trouble when he stubbornly refused to compromise and led Cleveland into financial default in late 1978"the first major city to default since the Great Depression. That led also to Kucinich's defeat and exit from executive office. Out of office, he dabbled in a Hollywoodesque spirit world and once believed he had met actress Shirley MacLaine in a previous life, seemingly confirming his critics' charges that he was a "nut-cake." After that, he experienced downward mobility, losing races for several other offices and finally ending up with a council seat; but more recently, he climbed back up to a seat in Congress. Bad judgment, demagoguery, and default also spelled political failure in the eyes of twenty-five of our experts, who ranked Dennis, whom the press called "the Menace," as seventh-worst.


The American Mayor
The Best & The Worst Big-City Leaders
By Melvin G. Holli
The Pennsylvania State University Press
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Old 10-28-2009, 02:27 PM
 
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This is the man, the mayor, who brought Cleveland to its knees financially. Under his "leadership," the city went into default.

The Worst Mayors (1820-1993)
Next, and seventh, is Cleveland's Dennis Kucinich (1977-79). Only thirty-one years old when elected, Cleveland's "boy" mayor had failings that were not the sins of venality or graft for personal gain, but rather matters of style, temperament, and bad judgment in office. Kucinich earned seventh place the hard way: by his abrasive, intemperate, and confrontational populist political style, which led to a disorderly and chaotic administration. He barely survived a recall vote just ten months into office, then disappeared for five weeks, reportedly recuperating from an ulcer. When he got back into the political fray, his demagogic rhetoric and slash-and-burn political style got him into serious trouble when he stubbornly refused to compromise and led Cleveland into financial default in late 1978"the first major city to default since the Great Depression. That led also to Kucinich's defeat and exit from executive office. Out of office, he dabbled in a Hollywoodesque spirit world and once believed he had met actress Shirley MacLaine in a previous life, seemingly confirming his critics' charges that he was a "nut-cake." After that, he experienced downward mobility, losing races for several other offices and finally ending up with a council seat; but more recently, he climbed back up to a seat in Congress. Bad judgment, demagoguery, and default also spelled political failure in the eyes of twenty-five of our experts, who ranked Dennis, whom the press called "the Menace," as seventh-worst.


The American Mayor
The Best & The Worst Big-City Leaders
By Melvin G. Holli
The Pennsylvania State University Press
What part of "Years later, the Cleveland City Council would honor him for “having the courage and foresight to refuse to sell the city’s municipal electric system”—and saving ratepayers more than $100 million."
did you not understand?

BTW...I like Shirly MacLaine and have read her books. I can think of much stranger people to admire or be involved with.
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