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Old 11-09-2009, 06:35 PM
 
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Originally Posted by BigJon3475 View Post
I guess some of the left needs to be reminded again of that "antiquated" and "outmoded" document:

The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

No, no, no. Don't bring that thing up.

Funny, libs say that the constitution is something that is to be intrepted according to the times. It is a living, breathing document. Not to be read literally.

Sickcare legislation is to be interpreted exactly. If Obama says it's not a single-payer system then it isn't. If Obama says no illegals then it isn't.

Wouldn't the Mexicans be in the streets rasing hell if they really thought illegals were going to be excluded? Of course they would. Mexicans love to protest. This would be a great opportunity. Yet they are silent.

So are the pro abortion crowd. No protests. Kinda makes me wonder.
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Old 11-09-2009, 06:42 PM
 
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I can't speak for all liberals, and I do not call myself a democrat, but I have the ability to discern what needs government and what doesn't. Just being against government now because faux news tells you Obama is bad is not seeing past anything. Rational people (on all sides) don't just vote because someone has a certain letter or is labeled as 'pro-government' or 'anti-government'.
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Well, Bush was pro-government. All he did was expand govt. Here and overseas. If repubs and dems were honest then dems should have voted for him and repubs should have not. But neither is honest. They both want big government. Just in different things.

And I'm an anarchist. Have been since before Bush was elected. I think we would be better off if government had never existed in the first place.

I don't need Fox News or CNN or anyone else to tell me anything about Obama. I don't think he is bad either. I think he does what all politicians do. Including Bush. He negates liberty.
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Old 11-09-2009, 07:37 PM
 
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Conservatives are Pat Buchanan types.
Pat Buchanan is a statist. He's made it clear that he supports restrictions on free trade, as well as restrictions on social freedoms (homosexuality, legalization of drugs, porn, etc.). He's really the opposite of a libertarian.
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Old 11-09-2009, 07:42 PM
 
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Pat Buchanan is a statist. He's made it clear that he supports restrictions on free trade, as well as restrictions on social freedoms (homosexuality, legalization of drugs, porn, etc.). He's really the opposite of a libertarian.
You are correct. That is why I said he is a conservative. I never mentioned the word libertarian since he isn't a libertarian.

Buchanan was also against the war in Iraq and he said the second Bush inagural speech sounded more like Woodrow Wilson that anything a conservative would say. Wilson was all for spreading democracy. Just like "conservative" Bush.
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Old 11-10-2009, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Orlando, FL
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Sorry to say, you seem to have a crack in your record, because you keep repeating yourself. Have you nothing intelligent to contribute..? You are one easily contrtolled by a slick salesman.... I'm so sorry for you.
Ironic, isn't it
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Old 11-10-2009, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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You are correct. That is why I said he is a conservative. I never mentioned the word libertarian since he isn't a libertarian.

Buchanan was also against the war in Iraq and he said the second Bush inagural speech sounded more like Woodrow Wilson that anything a conservative would say. Wilson was all for spreading democracy. Just like "conservative" Bush.
Pat B is an isolationist, that is what he is. Most conservatives do not share many of his views..

Nita
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Old 11-10-2009, 12:45 PM
 
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Arent you that poster that is out of our country running around calling us "you people"? Yeah, thanks for saying one thing, and proving another..
No, I am not out of this country.
I am in the DC Metro Area.

The reason why I say "You People" because you fall into the category with the rest of the republican whiners & Obama bashers!
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Old 11-10-2009, 12:59 PM
 
Location: USA
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I started out as an Obama fan, and had great hopes when he was elected. It didn't take long to realize he is a very bad man.
Jimmy Carter was incompetent, Obama is far worse, he is frightening and dangerous. He is doing everything he can to destroy our country.
All of those people who can't and won't see through him, are destined to suffer the consequences... the sad part is, you are taking the good people with you in your ignorance..!
Gina, your talking points are showing again.

Why don't you try educating the ignorant by listing specific examples of how Obama is trying to destroy our nation.
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Old 11-10-2009, 01:00 PM
 
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Spending money you don’t have is dumb. Spending money you don’t have after you have explained that we cannot spend money we don’t have and with the full knowledge that doing so is dangerous is pathetic.
Well I hope you are telling yourself that & the others in this country who helped to drive this economy down the drain before Obama was even in office.

And the way that happened is, as you mentioned, spending money that you don't have, or must I say "Credit Card Debt"?

Are you going to say Obama played a role in that mess or will you admit that it was the consumers own choice to follow the tactics of the two previous Presidents who gave banks blank checks & the freedom to do anything they want to do.

This played a major role in driving this economy downhill.
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Old 11-10-2009, 01:01 PM
 
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=NorthPoleMarathoner;11555895]Dick Cheney is a neocon. So is Sarah Palin.
theres got to be more neo conservatives than conservatives. it still does not explain the so called conservative support for them. or the lack of backlash from conservatives towards neo conservatives i didnt see nor hear any, and the conservatives on here didnt make any big deals about it either. the typical liberal basher conservative should have been the neo conservative basher but they werent they were supportive.

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Limited government at home. Limited govt overseas. Palin and Cheney don't fit that description. Neither does Bush. Fox in a news channel. It has zero control over what the govt does. Therefore it doesn't matter if it is conservative. Is Juan Williams conservative? Alan Colmes? Maura Liason? Bob Beckel? Dick Morris?
they have an impact on how people think and or percieve things.
juan williams-i believe he is a moderate leaning conservative
alan colmes-liberal?


And Bush ran to the U.N to get permission to go into Iraq. A conservative would have done what the Constituition says. And asked Congress for a Declaration of War. Not that wishy-washy crap they got.

a nation with morals do exactly that get the OK from the UN. but the UN disagreed president bush went beyond their wishes so i guess he's conservative on that. thats how problems start you just dont barge into someones country and start conflicts.

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Bush was not a conservative. Not one of his policies that I can think of would be apporved by a Senator Taft or Barry Goldwater or Alan Keyes. Those people are conservative. Bush was big government form the day he took office.

if bush wasnt a conservative maybe he was a martian cause many liberals sure in the hell didnt like him. Conservatives loved him. if not they were too scared to criticize him openly.. some did start to at the near end of his term but why wait therefore making their response irrelevant and pointless.


as far as the policies not being approve we do not know that because 2 of the 3 are not alive and the climate is different from yester years to today
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