20 NATO Countries to Send More Troops to Afghanistan (soldier, Clinton, how much)
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Taliban has been getting stronger over the part five years due to our inaction. It did not start in March. The surge in March was designed to counter the Taliban uprising.
The Taliban can not be eliminated thats for sure, and they're going to get stronger when NATO/US send more troops there, because the Afghans are already against the occupation.
It is a little strange that people who supported the wars in the past are all of a sudden worried about the cost of war. I have opposed Iraq and supported Afghanistan from the start.
What I do oppose it our permanent bases in Germany are other countries, because they suck billions upon billions every year even at peace time. There is no need for that. But I believe there is a need to successfully finish the war we have been fighting for eight years.
here are some reasons you shouldn't support it, besides the ones i previously mentioned.
1. Human cost of war: Soldier and civilian deaths and injuries have been escalating each year since 2001. Nearly 1000 U.S. soldiers have been killed while 32,000 Afghan civilians have died as a result of the war.
2. Economic cost of war: Each soldier in Afghanistan costs U.S. taxpayers $1 million per year. Private military contractors, known to de-fraud the Pentagon, exceed the number of soldiers in the war.
3. U.S. economy in recession: We have reached 10.2 % unemployment, with many more who are underemployed or given up job hunting, accompanied by large cuts in human and social services. Put to peacetime uses, the 2009 cost of the war paid by Massachusetts citizen taxes would fund 600,000 Head Start positions, provide health care for 1.5 million people, and fund renewable electricity for 7.5 million citizens.
4. Corrupt Afghan government with warlords in power: Despite the U.S. rhetoric to bring democracy and rights for women in Afghanistan, there are no signs of democracy or improved status of women since the war began. In fact, women report increased male violence in the chaos of war.
5. Spread of war to Pakistan: Pakistan is a highly militarized country with nuclear weapons and an unstable government - a very risky situation within which to expand the war.
6. Drone attacks by U.S. and NATO: Drone attacks have resulted in a large percent of civilian casualties and have increased anger toward the U.S., thus ensuring new recruits to terrorist organizations.
7.War aid misdirected: 10% of the war budget is spent on “humanitarian” aid which mainly supports war objectives, such as road building for military trucks, not the lives of Afghan people. (note here, people do not LIKE to be occupied, think of ireland)
8.War funding contradiction: Taliban are paid by U.S. military contractors to protect military supply routes. Tens to hundreds of millions of U.S. war dollars are funding the Taliban whom the U.S is fighting in Afghanistan and Pakistan. (i actually posted an earlier piece on how we are now actually bribing the taliban which is, of course, insane).
why would any american support their tax dollars going to other countries when they would be better utilized here?
here are some reasons you shouldn't support it, besides the ones i previously mentioned.
1. Human cost of war: Soldier and civilian deaths and injuries have been escalating each year since 2001. Nearly 1000 u.s. Soldiers have been killed while 32,000 afghan civilians have died as a result of the war.
2. Economic cost of war: Each soldier in afghanistan costs u.s. Taxpayers $1 million per year. Private military contractors, known to de-fraud the pentagon, exceed the number of soldiers in the war.
3. U.s. Economy in recession: We have reached 10.2 % unemployment, with many more who are underemployed or given up job hunting, accompanied by large cuts in human and social services. Put to peacetime uses, the 2009 cost of the war paid by massachusetts citizen taxes would fund 600,000 head start positions, provide health care for 1.5 million people, and fund renewable electricity for 7.5 million citizens.
4. Corrupt afghan government with warlords in power: Despite the u.s. Rhetoric to bring democracy and rights for women in afghanistan, there are no signs of democracy or improved status of women since the war began. In fact, women report increased male violence in the chaos of war.
5. Spread of war to pakistan: Pakistan is a highly militarized country with nuclear weapons and an unstable government - a very risky situation within which to expand the war.
6. Drone attacks by u.s. And nato: Drone attacks have resulted in a large percent of civilian casualties and have increased anger toward the u.s., thus ensuring new recruits to terrorist organizations.
7.war aid misdirected: 10% of the war budget is spent on “humanitarian” aid which mainly supports war objectives, such as road building for military trucks, not the lives of afghan people.
8.war funding contradiction: Taliban are paid by u.s. Military contractors to protect military supply routes. Tens to hundreds of millions of u.s. War dollars are funding the taliban whom the u.s is fighting in afghanistan and pakistan. (i actually posted an earlier piece on how we are now actually bribing the taliban which is, of course, insane).
Why would any american support their tax dollars going to other countries when they would be better utilized here?
here are some reasons you shouldn't support it, besides the ones i previously mentioned.
1. Human cost of war: Soldier and civilian deaths and injuries have been escalating each year since 2001. Nearly 1000 U.S. soldiers have been killed while 32,000 Afghan civilians have died as a result of the war.
2. Economic cost of war: Each soldier in Afghanistan costs U.S. taxpayers $1 million per year. Private military contractors, known to de-fraud the Pentagon, exceed the number of soldiers in the war.
3. U.S. economy in recession: We have reached 10.2 % unemployment, with many more who are underemployed or given up job hunting, accompanied by large cuts in human and social services. Put to peacetime uses, the 2009 cost of the war paid by Massachusetts citizen taxes would fund 600,000 Head Start positions, provide health care for 1.5 million people, and fund renewable electricity for 7.5 million citizens.
4. Corrupt Afghan government with warlords in power: Despite the U.S. rhetoric to bring democracy and rights for women in Afghanistan, there are no signs of democracy or improved status of women since the war began. In fact, women report increased male violence in the chaos of war.
5. Spread of war to Pakistan: Pakistan is a highly militarized country with nuclear weapons and an unstable government - a very risky situation within which to expand the war.
6. Drone attacks by U.S. and NATO: Drone attacks have resulted in a large percent of civilian casualties and have increased anger toward the U.S., thus ensuring new recruits to terrorist organizations.
7.War aid misdirected: 10% of the war budget is spent on “humanitarian†aid which mainly supports war objectives, such as road building for military trucks, not the lives of Afghan people.
8.War funding contradiction: Taliban are paid by U.S. military contractors to protect military supply routes. Tens to hundreds of millions of U.S. war dollars are funding the Taliban whom the U.S is fighting in Afghanistan and Pakistan. (i actually posted an earlier piece on how we are now actually bribing the taliban which is, of course, insane).
why would any american support their tax dollars going to other countries when they would be better utilized here?
Plus with the 30,000 troops Obama is sending, $30 billion will be spent on them.
here are some reasons you shouldn't support it, besides the ones i previously mentioned.
1. Human cost of war: Soldier and civilian deaths and injuries have been escalating each year since 2001. Nearly 1000 U.S. soldiers have been killed while 32,000 Afghan civilians have died as a result of the war.
2. Economic cost of war: Each soldier in Afghanistan costs U.S. taxpayers $1 million per year. Private military contractors, known to de-fraud the Pentagon, exceed the number of soldiers in the war.
3. U.S. economy in recession: We have reached 10.2 % unemployment, with many more who are underemployed or given up job hunting, accompanied by large cuts in human and social services. Put to peacetime uses, the 2009 cost of the war paid by Massachusetts citizen taxes would fund 600,000 Head Start positions, provide health care for 1.5 million people, and fund renewable electricity for 7.5 million citizens.
4. Corrupt Afghan government with warlords in power: Despite the U.S. rhetoric to bring democracy and rights for women in Afghanistan, there are no signs of democracy or improved status of women since the war began. In fact, women report increased male violence in the chaos of war.
5. Spread of war to Pakistan: Pakistan is a highly militarized country with nuclear weapons and an unstable government - a very risky situation within which to expand the war.
6. Drone attacks by U.S. and NATO: Drone attacks have resulted in a large percent of civilian casualties and have increased anger toward the U.S., thus ensuring new recruits to terrorist organizations.
7.War aid misdirected: 10% of the war budget is spent on “humanitarian†aid which mainly supports war objectives, such as road building for military trucks, not the lives of Afghan people. (note here, people do not LIKE to be occupied, think of ireland)
8.War funding contradiction: Taliban are paid by U.S. military contractors to protect military supply routes. Tens to hundreds of millions of U.S. war dollars are funding the Taliban whom the U.S is fighting in Afghanistan and Pakistan. (i actually posted an earlier piece on how we are now actually bribing the taliban which is, of course, insane).
why would any american support their tax dollars going to other countries when they would be better utilized here?
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This is what the Taliban wants, because more Afghans would stand on their side by supporting them and joining them. The last surge we had from President Obama only made the Taliban stronger by operating on 80% of the country. It would also bring more hatreds towards westerners.
This is a terrible mistake.
What made the Taliban stronger was 7+ years of mismanagement & misleadership
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What made the Taliban stronger was 7+ years of mismanagement & misleadership
No not really, this is what made them stronger, NATO/US wiped out villages, bombed random houses, wedding celebrations, and those that die are innocents mostly women and children, killing/injuring random people in the streets because they think they're taliban when they're not, drugs easily accessible, prostitution flourishing, politicans in the karzai's goverment are responsible for the massacres that happend from 1992-96 which killed up to 60,000 people in Kabul alone, they are so corrupted that they dont care or listen to what their citizens want, the president's brother makes 90% of the opium production and still gets paid by the CIA, drug addicts make up 2-4% of the population and continues to rise each year, crime cases go unsolved, etc.
Thats why a lot of Afghans join the Taliban because they're tired of seeing these things happen over and over again. Thats why the Taliban will never get eliminated, the more you kill the more they will expand.
Bascailly we wil have to see at what levels and at what levels of logistic these countries will increase. If like curreent levels it will be small;the spend not much and the areas and type of operation s not in the mst dangerous or type of operations.The Taliban in fact are lossing support which is why tehy are in pakistan mostly. The talbsan are basically in the 13th century in this world and never even controlled much of afganistan. the talaban are a very weak group really with litte support except for radical muslims.The taliban is made up of male muslims trying to prerseve a fuedal system of male domination in a modern world.Afagns may npot like us there but few actually approve of the talibna themsleves as itas like wishing hitler on yourself.
Bascailly we wil have to see at what levels and at what levels of logistic these countries will increase. If like curreent levels it will be small;the spend not much and the areas and type of operation s not in the mst dangerous or type of operations.The Taliban in fact are lossing support which is why tehy are in pakistan mostly. The talbsan are basically in the 13th century in this world and never even controlled much of afganistan. the talaban are a very weak group really with litte support except for radical muslims.The taliban is made up of male muslims trying to prerseve a fuedal system of male domination in a modern world.Afagns may npot like us there but few actually approve of the talibna themsleves as itas like wishing hitler on yourself.
If you think they have little support and really weak, then why is the US/NATO who have 110,000 soldiers are struggling to defeat a group of 25,000 fighters who are lightly armed for the last 8 years?
If you think they're losing support then why do they operate in 80% of the country up from 54 percent two years ago?
Keep this in mind, the more you kill the more they will expand.
The pakistani Taliban are diffrent from the Afghani Taliban, the Pakistani Taliban are cruel and brutal, all they do is killing their fellow citizens and no one likes them.
Last edited by mrhman92; 12-03-2009 at 05:25 PM..
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