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Old 12-15-2009, 03:57 PM
 
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Midwives in meltdown: A former NHS worker reveals how understaffed maternity wards are sinking into chaos | Mail Online
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Old 12-15-2009, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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The same thing can happen in our U.S. hospitals because some hospital CEOs would rather have less nurses than less profits to report.

I recommend you read: Amazon.com: Money-Driven Medicine: The Real Reason Health Care Costs So Much (9780060765330): Maggie Mahar: Books Amazon.com: Critical Condition: How Health Care in America Became Big Business--and Bad Medicine (9780767910750): Donald L. Barlett, James B. Steele: Books

You'll hear stories from U.S. citizens whose care was compromised because hospitals didn't WANT to hire more nurses. It wasn't because of a lack of qualified nurses but the CEO of the hospital wanted higher profits.
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Old 12-15-2009, 04:08 PM
 
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The Mail is the British equivalent of the National Enquirer. It is uniquely "economical with the truth".
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Old 12-15-2009, 04:15 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The only way for Government run healthcare to work anywhere in the world, is to have all personnel, meaning doctors, nurses, pharmacist and on down the line, to be Government employees.
No one in the medical or healthcare field, would be private practice.
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Old 12-15-2009, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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The same thing can happen in our U.S. hospitals because some hospital CEOs would rather have less nurses than less profits to report.

I recommend you read: Amazon.com: Money-Driven Medicine: The Real Reason Health Care Costs So Much (9780060765330): Maggie Mahar: Books Amazon.com: Critical Condition: How Health Care in America Became Big Business--and Bad Medicine (9780767910750): Donald L. Barlett, James B. Steele: Books

You'll hear stories from U.S. citizens whose care was compromised because hospitals didn't WANT to hire more nurses. It wasn't because of a lack of qualified nurses but the CEO of the hospital wanted higher profits.
It's not the same thing can happen, the same thing does happen. I was working in high-acuity pediatric intensive care. The staff-patient ratios were consistently cut regardless of the input of the nurses. I eventually left because I felt it was an incredibly unsafe environment for the patients. The admin didn't care, they just hired more inexperienced staff who really had no clue how at risk they or the patients were.
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Old 12-15-2009, 04:22 PM
 
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Infant Mortality rates per 1000 live births (2009 est):

United Kingdon - 4.85

United States - 6.26

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2091rank.html
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Old 12-15-2009, 04:23 PM
 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3WWN...layer_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DgLf8hHMgo

Yeah we are so much better off than other industrialized countries when it comes to infant and mother mortality. (PS, we are worse than Cuba and many other "socialist" countries)
https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2091rank.html

Do some research and you'll find that our system is broke. A natural event has turned into a billion $$$ industry... only in America.

Giving birth should have nothing to do with Politics. Instead of trying to bash some other country for the way that they do it, how about some ideas on how to make the US aquire the same success that alot of the EU has when it comes to the health of baby and mother.

The stats say that the UK does a better job, as far as pregnancy goes, for FAR less money. Your opinion article states no facts.
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Old 12-15-2009, 04:26 PM
 
Location: London, U.K.
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Yes its true, one in five health trusts have a shortage of midwives. I'd never want a US system though. Look at France for a 'socialist' system that works. Granted its not perfect, but then what is?
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Old 12-15-2009, 04:29 PM
 
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The stats say that the UK does a better job, as far as pregnancy goes, for FAR less money. Your opinion article states no facts.
£92.5bn - the cost of the entire NHS for the financial year 2008-9
$596.6bn- the combined cost of the Medicare and Medicaid programs (£360bn).
Medicare and Medicaid also require premiums and co-payments in addition to the government £596.6bn.
Medicare has about 45 million people enrolled and Medicaid 50 million.
Do the math. The NHS is less than half the cost of Medicare and Medicaid.
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Old 12-15-2009, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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From a friend of a friend of a friend in Britain I heard that all hospitals have dumpsters outside where babies that die for lack of care are tossed. This guy also said that white babies must wait because non-white babies have priority.
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