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What a bunch of bs. The world's population can all fit into Texas and still have a lower population density than that of NYC.
Mexi, I've read that same fact myself...but can you imagine? The problem doesn't lie with land area or space, obviously...but natural resources, economic factors, and human intelligence.
In the animal kingdom, many creatures produce far more offspring than is needed to replace them. The reason is because most of them don't make it to adulthood based on predators, environment, and food supplies. Humans have surpassed and/or are ignoring these factors which are very real, with the added benefit that we are totally destroying the entire planet. In the meantime, we keep digging ourselves a deeper hole by not facing the root of so many of our problems.
Yes, immigration in the US adds to the population - because of out of control birth rates around the globe. Just like migrating herds of whatevers, people are flocking to where there is some sort of livelihood...clean water, health facilities, infrastructure, etc. For now.
I thought for sure someone would bring up the movie Soylent Green.
We deliberately only had two kids, and yes I too got my tubes tied.
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The problem doesn't lie with land area or space, obviously...but natural resources, economic factors, and human intelligence.
Yes, immigration in the US adds to the population - because of out of control birth rates around the globe. Just like migrating herds of whatevers, people are flocking to where there is some sort of livelihood...clean water, health facilities, infrastructure, etc. For now.
Exactly.
We still have our wide-open spaces, but they are filling in.
We are losing our wetlands, too.
Mexi, I've read that same fact myself...but can you imagine? The problem doesn't lie with land area or space, obviously...but natural resources, economic factors, and human intelligence.
In the animal kingdom, many creatures produce far more offspring than is needed to replace them. The reason is because most of them don't make it to adulthood based on predators, environment, and food supplies. Humans have surpassed and/or are ignoring these factors which are very real, with the added benefit that we are totally destroying the entire planet. In the meantime, we keep digging ourselves a deeper hole by not facing the root of so many of our problems.
Yes, immigration in the US adds to the population - because of out of control birth rates around the globe. Just like migrating herds of whatevers, people are flocking to where there is some sort of livelihood...clean water, health facilities, infrastructure, etc. For now.
More isn't merrier, IMO.
Look the number of people are not the problem . Nor are the ways they consume natural resources. we still have the north pole and Antartica that have a lot of resources untouched. And look here in the US. We have the largest reserve of shale oil and are in the top five for other resources that are used around the world like coal. The reason we are not extracting these resources is an economic one. We are waiting till the other nations run out of them and than we will begin the extraction. It's going to make us not only wealtheir but makes us the only power for these resources.
Who said I wasn't against immigration? actually no one. There's too many of the undesirables from Mexico coming over. When they come they bring their problems with. I am in favor of allowing white-collar immigrants. We don't need blue-collar.
We are not in the animal kingdon so stop comparing us to animals that have yet to discover walking on two legs and opposible thumbs
I think the problem is that the most educated are having the fewest children. Those are the people who should have more children, so that those kids can grow up and be well educated and help solve the world's problems. I know, kind of simplistic, but I do think it's an "issue" that the Americans who have the most children are those who are far less likely to be able to afford good education for their kids. In other parts of the world, they need to have a lot of kids to work the farms, et.c sot hat's a CAtch 22 for them.
For my personal part, I had 2 children biologically and wanted a 3rd. I decided there were plenty of children already on this earth who need homes and I didn't need to create another child in order to have 3 children, so we adopted our 3rd child (no, not a much-saught after white infant. We intentionally adopted a child who might not otherwise have had a home).
Other things you can do: sponsor a child in the US or abroad so they have access to basic necessities and education. Perhaps that child will be the one to change the world. You never know. At the very least, you've helped one child; at most, you'll have changed thousands through the one child.
Maybe instead if a fence we should spay/neuter all the illegal people comming in....Not the legal ones...that should scare them into staying away.
Haha I see you put on your thinking cap.... Would be a good thing to do, but then we would tie up all our doctors for years doing vasectomies (it's quicker and easier to fix males).
Our home is a one kid home. We thought about having two, but decided not to for financial reasons - kids are very expensive to raise them properly.
What we ought to do when you speak of euthanizing people, is whack out all these bums that just stand around with signs all day. Those pariahs of society will never change and frankly I am quite sick of them.
Look the number of people are not the problem . Nor are the ways they consume natural resources. we still have the north pole and Antartica that have a lot of resources untouched. And look here in the US. We have the largest reserve of shale oil and are in the top five for other resources that are used around the world like coal. The reason we are not extracting these resources is an economic one. We are waiting till the other nations run out of them and than we will begin the extraction. It's going to make us not only wealtheir but makes us the only power for these resources.
Who said I wasn't against immigration? actually no one. There's too many of the undesirables from Mexico coming over. When they come they bring their problems with. I am in favor of allowing white-collar immigrants. We don't need blue-collar.
We are not in the animal kingdon so stop comparing us to animals that have yet to discover walking on two legs and opposible thumbs
So just because there is free space left on the planet you perscribe to the belief that we should "breed to the walls"? Then what?
...and humans ARE animals, elaborate talking apes, for all their intelligence, still driven by base instincts: greed, lust, hunger, violence, hierarchy and the aparent insatiable need to pro-create.
So just because there is free space left on the planet you perscribe to the belief that we should "breed to the walls"? Then what?
Don't forget that there's plenty of upward room too. People can live in skyscrapers. But only 6% of the US is developed. (A lot more land is owned by the federal government and kept undeveloped!)
It's really a problem of what kind of economic system we're dealign with. If you have a communist/socialist society where government is obligated to provide for everyone, then overpopulation becomes an issue. Every new person is a liability that the system has to support, which is why China imposed a 1child policy.
In a free market / capitalist society (and America/Europe *DO NOT* have a pure capitalist economy, it is mixed), population is not a problem. Production can rise to meet the needs of newcomers, determined through the forces of supply and demand. Living space can be expanded -- if we're running out of room in the current housing stock, we can build upwards, downward, into the ocean, or into outer space. Same goes for food and resources -- if some resource is about to be used up, prices go up and encourage investment in discovering new resources.
The problem in many places today is government restrictions on the market. Development restrictions and rent control result in less available housing, forcing people to bid up the price. We have a transportation system that is directed by government planning rather than the market, and does not do a very good job of keeping up with population growth. Food production is subsidized by the federal government, which discourages investment in more efficient methods of production (if there were a need for it).
What about those poor third world countries? Those are the places wracked by war, genocide, and socialism, conditions that prevent investment and wealth creation. Don't blame droughts or other natural conditions on hunger and poverty -- Phoenix, AZ, seems to do fine even though it's in the middle of a desert -- people can use irrigation or import food. And look at resource-poor, limited-space places like Hong Kong and Singapore. The standard of living in those places is much higher than in the Chinese or Malaysian countryside.
Humans certainly are mammals in the animal world. And, as do our chimp cousins, we have opposable thumbs as one poster has mentioned. Unfortunately, it’s been my experience that there are FAR TOO MANY humans who would be doing the world a great service by sticking those thumbs in some orifice and leaving them there.
We’re the only animals capable of poisoning the land, the water, and the air to such an enormous degree. And our ability to cover so much of the earth with concrete, asphalt, and mega-developments—made possible by those opposable thumbs and the abundance of wrinkled gray matter in our craniums—is truly amazing. Isn’t the human race wonderful? It’s a good thing the rest of the animals can’t become racists capable of hate crimes.
For all our ingenuity and creativity we just cannot be visionary to the point of seeing how so many of today’s decisions will bring misery tomorrow. Of all the terrible things that will befall us in the near future, overpopulation will bring the worst. But it’s too difficult to imagine something so terrible for many people, and for others it’s the typical head-in-the-sand thought process. And we’re Americans after all, so we believe it won’t be so bad for us.
People are moving around within the US trying to find comfort. It’s a form of overgrazing. It’s what happens when animals such as beef cattle are confined to a particular space long enough for it to lack sustenance. Such animals operating naturally would move on long before the space got to such a point. If you’ve ever been involved in raising horses or cattle, for example, you know that herds given lots of space move around so as not to graze completely down to the ground as this lengthens the time for regrowth. They don’t understand the reasoning for it, they just know it. WE, rulers of the animal kingdom, understand that less foliage above ground means less opportunity for photosynthesis and . . . We can grow our own food, naturally, or with chemicals to force it out of the ground, but we have a more difficult time growing comfort; we have to move on to find it.
And then there’s the problem with building prosperity. We believe we have to breed more consumers. We believe we must import consumers, either from State to State or Nation to Nation. We cannot seem to master the concept that a pie cut into fewer pieces means bigger pieces of pie. Rather than continually innovate, create, manufacture, sell, and then move to the next good thing, businesses have to find ways to encourage more consumerism—breed more or import more consumers; keep them buying those widgets. As long as those at the top of the “food chain” get theirs, well, what does it matter? LET THEM EAT CAKE!
Consider water supplies. America will suffer. But then the head-in-the-sanders will be plentiful enough to discourage many proactive measures by humiliating so many people as “chicken littles.” These are the same people who don’t believe humans are exacerbating global warming. They’ll say “3 degrees? What’s the big deal?” They’re too preoccupied with their cronies in keeping sensible people at bay to consider the watersheds. If 3 degrees causes the snow levels of all mountains and hills high enough to hold that frozen water to rise a mere 5 feet, let’s say, try to imagine the entire surface area that entails—area that will not have snowpack. And then try to imagine the trillions of gallons of water per year that will NOT be held in watersheds and aquifers because it made its way to the oceans or evaporated.
There are a great many places on the Internet with information about the potential effects of overpopulation. Everyone should be giving this much more attention than it’s being given now. It’s one of those problems that, when the consequences turn out to be so incredibly horrible, we have no solution other than—what? Something even much more horrible.
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. There's too many of the undesirables from Mexico coming over. When they come they bring their problems with. I am in favor of allowing white-collar immigrants. We don't need blue-collar. 
Give this problem a high priority! Please!
