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Old 01-24-2010, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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If this involves who I think it does, it is very sad. In my area, the only people involved in offering food samples and showcasing products were the elderly and disabled. That job might have been what kept them out of poverty.
Just think. If the government controlled health care and eventually every bit of business these people would still have their jobs. That is a steaming pile of Pelosi but you do really want government ownership of things don't you?

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Old 01-24-2010, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I have seen this whole pile of libs crying about WalMart and the article was about Sams Club employees. Do most of you know the difference between a Sams Club store and a WalMart store? It doesn't sound like that, at all, but maybe some of you do.

I guess mom and I go to Walmart stores because they are handy and in one town we go to they and their competitor, a Kroger store, must have people living in each other's stores since you can't buy many food items on special in one without being able to get that same item in the other. My favorite kind of bread is 1.68 at WalMart in that town and 2.28 at the Kroger store. Guess where I buy my bread.
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Old 01-24-2010, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Just think. If the government controlled health care and eventually every bit of business these people would still have their jogs. That is a steaming pile of Pelosi but you do really want government ownership of things don't you?

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Old 01-24-2010, 08:50 PM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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If this involves who I think it does, it is very sad. In my area, the only people involved in offering food samples and showcasing products were the elderly and disabled. That job might have been what kept them out of poverty.
I hope those nice sample ladies land on their feet. Apparently they will "have the opportunity" to reapply for positions with the new company. My take is that it's not cost cutting per se but that new hires will be expected to be more aggressive in converting to sales.
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Old 01-24-2010, 09:14 PM
 
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They probably wouldn't have had jobs in the first place if they had unions.

Companies have a right to hire and fire people if they wish. If they're not making money, they have to adapt, and as much as it sucks, that involves layoffs.

I don't get all the people that think if a union were involved everything would be better. They'd rather see a few keep their job short term, and the entire company be run into the ground by unions.

It's not a union issue. It's a profit issue.
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Old 01-24-2010, 09:28 PM
 
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It's a perplexing thing, 70% or so of Americans derives their livelihood (directly or indirectly) from corporations. Yet, the very same Americans think that corporations owe nothing to anybody, themselves included, corporations' sole purpose & duty is to maximize their bottom line. That's the most self-mutilating set of belief one can come up with.

It's just too bad that tiny % of population (capitalists) own most of the means of production and appropriate all the added value and fruits of productivity growth. Capitalists treat wage labor as another commodity to buy at the cheapest price, to minimize the consumed quantity of labor, or to substitute labor with cheaper equivalents (machines, automation, or Chinese sweat shop workers, etc.). Maximization of profits requires elimination of "expensive" or even "living wage" labor. Not maximization of the profits is not an option, if it's not you, it's another guy who'll maximize his profits and kick you out of business sooner or later. By eliminating labor, capitalists eliminate their customer base at the same time. Thus - periodic crisises.

In the last 60 years or so this inherent contradiction was dealt with by flooding the system with "cheap" money each time capitalists were about to wipe out significant portion of their customer base. Excess labor squeezed out by essential industries due to productivity growth, mechanization, automation or outsourcing was employed either by government or by new start ups producing mostly non essential, whimsical, silly, fraudulent, wasteful or outright dangerous products and services. This would not be possible without the rise of Marketing (a tool to create new wants) and general dumbing down of populace. Destruction of social cohesion, world where one could expect help & "freebies" from neighbors, relatives and friends, hyper individualism if not isolation also contributed to job and GDP growth. Things people used to do for free became a business opportunity.

In the past 30 years or so owning class was lending "expropriated" wages back to labor in order to have the best of two worlds (for a while): to maximize profits and to maintain the customer base.Transforming labor into forever indebted to masters peons was a pleasant side effect. Unfortunately, all good things come to the end. Debt pyramids and Ponzi schemes tends to crumble. Luckily, we have "Marxist" Obama who does everything possible under the sun to re-inflate debt pyramid and to keep circus running for little bit longer. If Obama will succeed (unlikely) in re-inflating that means only one thing - the next bust would put the current one to shame.

The final point - Capitalism is in crisis, it's not recession it's crisis. Crisis of the "damaged" customer base is superimposed on debt pyramid, resource, energy, food, water, ecological, population crises. Old tricks no longer revive the patient.
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Old 01-24-2010, 09:30 PM
 
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Try actually reading the article before you comment!




The outsourcing company used by Wal-Mart will be hiring an equal number of employees as those being laid off.

Wal-Mart has outsourced one of it's functions to a company which specializes in that area, and will it help Sams Club stores become more competitive against BJ's and Costco.
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Do you have a problem with Wal-Mart making changes to improve it's operations?
Not unless Wal-Mart becomes....."too big to fail."
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Old 01-24-2010, 09:33 PM
 
Location: NoVA
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Whoever honestly thinks that union membership is protection from a layoff, please punch yourself in the face as hard as you can. Do it, do it NOW.
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Old 01-24-2010, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I was implying that many here believe in that government ownership to go along with all their other progressive ideas and that if they had already done that maybe some of those people would have not been released.

Did the article say that WalMart was trying to give all of them jobs either in WalMart stores or that foreign one? I really thought it did say that. Maybe we don't read the same words.
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Old 01-24-2010, 09:40 PM
 
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It's a perplexing thing, 70% or so of Americans derives their livelihood (directly or indirectly) from corporations. Yet, the very same Americans think that corporations owe nothing to anybody, themselves included, corporations' sole purpose & duty is to maximize their bottom line. That's the most self-mutilating set of belief one can come up with.

It's just too bad that tiny % of population (capitalists) own most of the means of production and appropriate all the added value and fruits of productivity growth. Capitalists treat wage labor as another commodity to buy at the cheapest price, to minimize the consumed quantity of labor, or to substitute labor with cheaper equivalents (machines, automation, or Chinese sweat shop workers, etc.). Maximization of profits requires elimination of "expensive" or even "living wage" labor. Not maximization of the profits is not an option, if it's not you, it's another guy who'll maximize his profits and kick you out of business sooner or later. By eliminating labor, capitalists eliminate their customer base at the same time. Thus - periodic crisises.

In the last 60 years or so this inherent contradiction was dealt with by flooding the system with "cheap" money each time capitalists were about to wipe out significant portion of their customer base. Excess labor squeezed out by essential industries due to productivity growth, mechanization, automation or outsourcing was employed either by government or by new start ups producing mostly non essential, whimsical, silly, fraudulent, wasteful or outright dangerous products and services. This would not be possible without the rise of Marketing (a tool to create new wants) and general dumbing down of populace. Destruction of social cohesion, world where one could expect help & "freebies" from neighbors, relatives and friends, hyper individualism if not isolation also contributed to job and GDP growth. Things people used to do for free became a business opportunity.

In the past 30 years or so owning class was lending "expropriated" wages back to labor in order to have the best of two worlds (for a while): to maximize profits and to maintain the customer base. Unfortunately, all good things come to the end. Debt pyramids as Ponzi schemes tends to crumble. Luckily, we have "Marxist" Obama who does everything possible under the sun to re-inflate debt pyramid and to keep circus running for little bit longer. If Obama will succeed (unlikely) in re-inflating that means only one thing - the next bust would put the current one to shame.

The final point - Capitalism is in crisis, it's not recession it's crisis. Crisis of the "damaged" customer base is superimposed on resource, energy, food, water, ecological, population crises. Old tricks no longer revive the patient.
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