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View Poll Results: Are you watching/did you watch the State of the Union?
Yes - I'm left wing 49 44.95%
Yes - I'm right wing 45 41.28%
No - I'm left wing 5 4.59%
No - I'm right wing 10 9.17%
Voters: 109. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-28-2010, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Southwest Desert
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Did anyone notice how different MIchelle OBama looked and seemed last night? She didn't seem all that happy.But Obama himself seemed full of confidence.....Too much confidence.
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Old 01-28-2010, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Toledo, OH
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"And let's tell another one million students that when they graduate, they will be required to pay only ten percent of their income on student loans, and all of their debt will be forgiven after twenty years – and forgiven after ten years if they choose a career in public service."

Thank you hard working Americans for paying off my student loan debt! I just decided I'm not only going to graduate school, but I will also earn a PhD. And because a career in social work doesn't pay well, I won't make more money in one year than I spent on earning my education.

Doesn't this ring a bell?
The $75 million spent on bailing out people with mortgages they couldn’t afford?
I thought so.

How is this going to help America?
Sure, the short term effects will be nice, but the long term?
How is he going to fund this? Raise taxes? Put us even deeper in the hole?

Personally, I don't want my fellow Americans to pay for my education. Sure, tuition is outrageous, and interest on student loans is high, so I agree we need to fix these things. But the solution is not to bail me out if I don't pay my loans off in ten years.

What about the people who take out an extra $10,000 than necessary to pay for an expensive apartment, or a top-of-the-line laptop, or for things unnecessary to their education? I’ll admit it; I’m guilty of taking out a little more money than what I needed to fund my education. This was to help pay for rent and food, but some people go over the top. So if these people who take out unnecessary amounts of money in student loans and can’t afford to them back in ten or twenty years, are they off the hook for their poor choice?

What happens if I can’t make a single loan payment? Or, what if I choose not to make any payments? I’m sure there will be some regulations on that, but what if I can’t afford that ten percent payment for those ten years? What if I can’t afford any payments? Then I guess I went to college for free, right?[

Imagine how the people who can afford to pay their student loan debt feel. They spent all that time in college, earning a degree that will get them a well-paying career, only to have to fund someone else’s education. What about their children? What if they can afford to fund their child’s college education, but on top of that now has to fund their neighbor’s child’s education too? How is that right?

Reform the student loan industry, and require colleges and universities to cut the cost of tuition and fees. But don’t use my tax dollars to pay for someone else’s debt, because I certainly don’t want them to do that for me.
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Old 01-28-2010, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Southwest Desert
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Yes we can question Obama...Yes we can hold Obama accountable for his actions...or lack of action....Yes we can hold Obama accountable for his words and promises....Yes we can vote Obama out of office in two years if he doesn't deliver. YES WE CAN....
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Old 01-28-2010, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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This was his position during the campaign. He got elected.
What he stands for is what people want. It is the party of 'no' and the other corporate protectionists in the Senate who don't care what the people want.
No, he campaigned as a moderate. Surely you remember that he was against individual mandates for HC? Against fining/penalizing people? Against the "cadillac tax"? Against Medicare cuts?

The agenda he has followed was NOT the agenda he ran on.

The people realize they have been bamboozled and they are standing up to voice their opposition all across the country.
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Old 01-28-2010, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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This was his position during the campaign. He got elected.
What he stands for is what people want. It is the party of 'no' and the other corporate protectionists in the Senate who don't care what the people want.
Well the party of NO says NO to socialisim, mandates, jail sentences, increased taxes. I hope they continue to say no to you and your policies.
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Old 01-28-2010, 02:22 PM
 
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I picked out two nice sized whoppers from the speech last night. (quotes provided). There were more but these stuck out. How many times is this guy going to get away with this?

Link to the transcript

Presidential Politics: Barack Obama - State of the Union Transcript
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Originally Posted by SOTU Address Transcript
Next, we need to encourage American innovation. Last year, we made the largest investment in basic research funding in history, an investment -- an investment that could lead to the world's cheapest solar cells or treatment that kills cancer cells but leaves healthy ones untouched.
And no area is more ripe for such innovation than energy. You can see the results of last year's investments in clean energy in the North Carolina company that will create 1,200 jobs nationwide, helping to make advanced batteries, or in the California business that will put 1,000 people to work making solar panels.
But to create more of these clean-energy jobs, we need more production, more efficiency, more incentives, and that means building a new generation of safe, clean nuclear power plants in this country.
(APPLAUSE)
It means making tough decisions about opening new off-shore areas for oil and gas development.
(APPLAUSE)
It means continued investment in advanced biofuels and clean-coal technologies.
(APPLAUSE)
And, yes, it means passing a comprehensive energy and climate bill with incentives that will finally make clean energy the profitable kind of energy in America.
(APPLAUSE)
I'm grateful to the House for passing such a bill last year.
The above quote from the State of the union address was quite a mouthful. It was also about as duplicitous as one can get. The last line here about the house passing “such a bill last year” refers to the Waxman-Markey bill that is also known as the Cap and Trade legislation.
Obama outlines Clean Coal, Nuclear Power and drilling for oil in the speech then links those things to this bill.
Most Americans believe we need to drill for oil here in America and build nuclear power plants. However, Obama leaves out, this bill that he likes, doesn’t address nuclear power. It makes new clean coal plant nearly cost prohibitive and doesn’t leave any room for American offshore drilling!


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Originally Posted by SOTU Address Transcript
Starting in 2011, we are prepared to freeze government spending for three years. Spending related to our national security, Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security will not be affected, but all other discretionary government programs will.
Like any cash-strapped family, we will work within a budget to invest in what we need and sacrifice what we don't. And if I have to enforce this discipline by veto, I will.
What he leaves out is the areas he wants to freeze spending in received and average of 25% spending increases last year. So freezes simply lock in these increases! It also represents less than 1% of the deficit spending!
It looks good to the independants that voted for him but now have “Buyers remorse”. It does nothing to address the massive increase in the federal deficit that Obama has been the author of.
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Old 01-28-2010, 02:26 PM
 
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I am one of the two Right wings that didnt watch. I couldnt due to small kids needing attention.

I did read the entire speech today.
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Old 01-28-2010, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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I said IBM is a US corporation with foreign owners. Toyota is a foreign corporation with US owners.

Budweizer is not US a owned company anymore. They are owned by a European brewery, so are you saying they will not be allowed to run ads in US anymore? Or are you saying the Toyota will not be allowed to run ads in US?

Who will not be allowed to run ads in US? What are you trying to say? Budweiser and Toyota can run any ads they want in US, and you know it.
I saw that, and I was not trying do a "gotcha" on that, just establishing a baseline that an American company can have foreign investors. True, Budweiser in Dutch owned now, i think. Budweiser does not have the rights and freedom to run political campaign ads or contribute money to political campaigns.
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Old 01-28-2010, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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The other ironic statement he made last night in hopes to get his poll numbers up, was that he would make sure that equal pay for women was addressed. Did he not sign into law that very bill last year? I recall him doing it, but I may be wrong.
Yeah, where the hell did that come from anyway, are we back in the 1700s where women are not paid equally.

BTW, the men have been hit the hardest in this economy, more men are unemployed then women, and more women then men are graduating college, so I really do not know who slipped that into his speech.
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Old 01-28-2010, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - CNN Poll: Half of speech watchers have very positive reaction « - Blogs from CNN.com

Only "nearly half"? With these demographics;

It is not appropriate to berate/criticize the SCOTUS at such an event - they are guests of the Congress and not able to defend from his attack. He lied about the ruling and I imagine that would be hard to sit and take.
The 0bama we saw was petty, vindictive, overly defense, petulant, and quarrelsome. The supreme court justices were guests, and are never allowed to speak out about political matters, and 0bama disparaging them in his first SOTU speech was distasteful, and to goad the congress into publicly jeering them was even worse.
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