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View Poll Results: What flavor of abortion do you favor?
No abortions, even in cases of rape, incest, birth defects, and mothers death 10 9.09%
Abortions only in cases of rape, incest, birth defects, and mothers health 24 21.82%
Abortions for whomever decides they need one. 76 69.09%
Voters: 110. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-09-2010, 04:43 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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They won't say anything because they aren't here yet. Know where they are? In someone elses body. Know what that means right?

Until a fetus can talk we can only allow the mother to handle things that are IN HER OWN BODY. As bothersome as that might be it's the only logical thing we can do. The alternatives are far more distressing.
Hmmm. So how about those individuals who are mentally challenged and thus have the inability to not only speak, but cannot care for themselves? They're both not considered sentient so what makes those individuals any different?
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Old 02-09-2010, 04:46 AM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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I support the right to have abortions at any time and for any reason up until the fetus is viable as defined by Roe vs. Wade. Let the mother/family deal with the moral and emotional repercussions.

Thankfully that's the way it is and will be staying.
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Old 02-09-2010, 04:52 AM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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I agree with that, though after that time period would also make exceptions for rape and incest.
Exactly. Medical necessity includes mental health reasons. I would say rape and incest fall well within those bounds.
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Old 02-09-2010, 05:15 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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First trimester: no questions asked abortion.

After 3 months, no abortion unless there are severe fetal defects or mother is at risk.

How does a medical condition make a fetus unworthy of life?
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Old 02-09-2010, 05:32 AM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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How does a medical condition make a fetus unworthy of life?
In the case of birth defects: Judgment call that goes down to quality of life and the ability of the family to provide that.

In the case of harm to the mother: Who determines which life is more valuable? Common sense says to take the one who is already alive.
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Old 02-09-2010, 07:57 AM
 
Location: City of Pittsburgh
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in the case of life or death and other valid reasons...of course, no to the others, its murder.
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Old 02-09-2010, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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in the case of life or death and other valid reasons...of course, no to the others, its murder.
So sometimes it's murder, and other times it's not-quite-but-nearly murder? Mkay. Or maybe it's just murder when someone else is doing it? And who determines whether or not it's a valid reason? Your God, a doctor, or the women herself?
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Old 02-09-2010, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Land of Thought and Flow
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Until viability (approx 24-26 weeks), the woman/girl should have access to an abortion. I also think that counselor sessions should be available as requested.. Not a preachy session of "This is the baby that you're killing. Are you sure?" but rather a session with a professional so that she can thoroughly voice whatever she wants to talk about.

Not all females preparing for abortion are mentally prepared, and perhaps speaking with an impartial party about her decision would better assist her in making the right decision for her - whether it is being a parent, adopting, or the abortion.

After viability, abortion should only be used in cases of fetal defects (some of which are deadly to both mother and child) and/or health of the mother.

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Lets say a 11 year old girl gets pregnant, by natural means with a 13 year old boy. Granted, this is a small chance, but still. Now, she hasn't had sex ed yet, she doesn't know about her period, or how often she should have one. You don't start showing until after 3 months,

Should she still have to have the kid after 3 months?
Would that not follow the "Health risk to the mother" clause?
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Old 02-09-2010, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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Until viability (approx 24-26 weeks), the woman/girl should have access to an abortion. I also think that counselor sessions should be available as requested.. Not a preachy session of "This is the baby that you're killing. Are you sure?" but rather a session with a professional so that she can thoroughly voice whatever she wants to talk about.

Not all females preparing for abortion are mentally prepared, and perhaps speaking with an impartial party about her decision would better assist her in making the right decision for her - whether it is being a parent, adopting, or the abortion.

After viability, abortion should only be used in cases of fetal defects (some of which are deadly to both mother and child) and/or health of the mother.



Would that not follow the "Health risk to the mother" clause?
Many woman have life time problems after an abortion. Those problems include situational depression as well as manic depression. All of those factors are not taken in in a rush to deny life to the most innocent. Even Jane Roe has changed her view and come out against abortion. Abortion does much more than deny a life to a human, it can cause life long emotional issues that can go unresolved. In our wonderful climb to cry its a womans right to choose, she needs to understand fully what she is doing.
I would support abortion only as a last ditch effort to save the life of the mother. In this day and age that is rare. However it would be a matter of survival and self defense for the mother.
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Old 02-09-2010, 08:55 AM
 
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Many woman have life time problems after an abortion. """"



Stats, please?



"""Those problems include situational depression as well as manic depression. All of those factors are not taken in in a rush to deny life to the most innocent. Even Jane Roe has changed her view and come out against abortion. Abortion does much more than deny a life to a human, it can cause life long emotional issues that can go unresolved. In our wonderful climb to cry its a womans right to choose, she needs to understand fully what she is doing.
I would support abortion only as a last ditch effort to save the life of the mother. In this day and age that is rare. However it would be a matter of survival and self defense for the mother.
I see women with lifetime problems after giving birth...even depression......I see women who have never been pregnant with problems. I see women who have had many children who have problems.


And I see all of the women above with NO problems....it's still THEIR business and no one else's.
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