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View Poll Results: Do we work too much?
Yes, a 21 hour work week would make everyone better off 21 19.81%
No, we must work 40 hours a week to maintain this standard of living 31 29.25%
Neutral 8 7.55%
A 30 hour work week sounds more reasonable 46 43.40%
Voters: 106. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-17-2010, 08:33 AM
 
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Well, with a 40 hour work week most people in offices only do about 21 hours of actual work so a 21 hour work week would result in about 9 hours of actual work so I say no.
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Old 02-17-2010, 08:44 AM
 
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Well that depends, how many sick days do each employee take in a year? How effective (how much is done) are they while they're there?

It's especially in the reduction of sick leave, that a lot of the companies that have tried this has seen positive results, that alone, can often times pay for it, and more. Of course, that only counts when the employee gets paid when off sick, which, I'm aware isn't always the case stateside, but then, I've already said that it might not be as easy to implement in the US as it is other places.
Do you have any studies that show this? I am hesitant to believe hiring more people will lower costs. A 40 hour work week isn't exactly a lot! Many doctors/lawyers work 70+ hour weeks and handle the stress without a problem and we are to think other people can't deal with 40?
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Old 02-17-2010, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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A 21 hour week at the same pay sounds good to me.

I have proposed a four shift week of 3 days x 12 hours + 6 hours = 42 hours. 4 shifts = 168 hours or a full 24/7/30 month.

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Old 02-17-2010, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Many office type businesses are open 5 days a week. Those involving sales / retail, are often open 6 or 7 days a week.

Some offices are open 8 to 5. Others 9 to 5. Retailers open at 9 or 10 and close at perhaps 7 to 10 PM.

For those who are supportive of a 21 hour workweek (which I don't BTW - if you want to work 21 hours - then that is all you will get paid for) - you will have to consider all of the businesses that would have to hire extra people to fill in those 19 hours you are sitting on your butt!

You want to get paid for 40 hours of work? Then, WORK 40 hours.

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Old 02-17-2010, 11:31 AM
 
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Do you have any studies that show this? I am hesitant to believe hiring more people will lower costs. A 40 hour work week isn't exactly a lot! Many doctors/lawyers work 70+ hour weeks and handle the stress without a problem and we are to think other people can't deal with 40?
Huh? They don't handle the stress without a problem. One of my coworkers left a well paying job as an attorney due to the endless long hours. She didn't handle it well at all. And my friend's girlfriend is an OB/GYN and is very stressed all the time. She said it's mostly due to the insane hours plus being on call on her 'time off'.

I know it's anecdotal, but it seems to me the long hours definitely get to them. After all they are just human like the rest of us.
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Old 02-17-2010, 11:39 AM
 
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Bunch of slackers.
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Old 02-17-2010, 11:50 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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BBC News - Cut working week to 21 hours, urges think tank

I think this would be a great way to increase productivity, decrease stress, improve quality of life, among many other things. We would have more time for family and to do chores, cook healthy meals, and just enjoy life more. I think this would be a much better idea than to let people retire at age 40, which there was a thread about not too long ago. HOWEVER, 21 hours just doesn't seem like enough to keep somebody busy, in my opinion we should start by going to 30 hours and then see how that works out. What do you guys think??
I fail to see how less work equates to more productivity.

Those who do not wish to work, generally have a lower standard of living, and poor quality of life. It's called poverty (self inflicted).

Less work, means less income.

If a 21 hour work week is better than a 40 hour week, why not reduce it to 10 hours? Why not zero?

Looking at it another way, if hours are reduced by half, so is your pay, right? How many people can stand a 50% pay reduction (I know 21 is not half of 40!).

Really productive people, entrepreneurs (business owners) generally work more than 40 hours/week. That's what it takes to be successful, grow your business, and create wealth for yourself.
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Old 02-17-2010, 11:58 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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We already have 20-hour work weeks. It is called part-time employment.
You've got it! And most have been forced into that situation and are desparately trying to find full time work.

You just can't pay the bill working part time.
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Old 02-17-2010, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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You've got it! And most have been forced into that situation and are desparately trying to find full time work.

You just can't pay the bill working part time.

But the suggestion in the original post was, for you to get paid as if you worked 40 hours when in reality you only worked 21. That is simply not going to happen.
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Old 02-17-2010, 12:05 PM
 
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Huh? They don't handle the stress without a problem. One of my coworkers left a well paying job as an attorney due to the endless long hours. She didn't handle it well at all. And my friend's girlfriend is an OB/GYN and is very stressed all the time. She said it's mostly due to the insane hours plus being on call on her 'time off'.

I know it's anecdotal, but it seems to me the long hours definitely get to them. After all they are just human like the rest of us.
There are few people in any profession who are stressed...I know people who are stressed over 20 hour/week part time jobs!

Claiming 40 hours/week is too much is simply lazy.
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