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Their blind persistence in the face of reality threatens to turn this political march of folly into an electoral rout in November.
Nothing has been more disconcerting than to watch Democratic politicians and their media supporters deceive themselves into believing that the public favors the Democrats' current health-care plan.
The notion that once enactment is forced, the public will suddenly embrace health-care reform could not be further from the truth -- and is likely to become a rallying cry for disaffected Republicans, independents and, yes, Democrats.
They make some really excellent points. But I doubt that the leadership will heed the call as they try every underhanded legislative trick in the book to try and pass something, anything that can be claimed a "victory", country be damned.
A must read, especially for all the die hard obamacare supporters.
They make some really excellent points. But I doubt that the leadership will heed the call as they try every underhanded legislative trick in the book to try and pass something, anything that can be claimed a "victory", country be damned.
A must read, especially for all the die hard obamacare supporters.
Maybe and maybe not. There are no good options here. They have spent over a year on this issue and if they FAIL to pass it, November will be even worse for them. If they do pass it they may still face an uphill battle but my calculation is that it will not be as bad a bloodbath as it will be oif they fail.
Maybe and maybe not. There are no good options here. They have spent over a year on this issue and if they FAIL to pass it, November will be even worse for them. If they do pass it they may still face an uphill battle but my calculation is that it will not be as bad a bloodbath as it will be oif they fail.
The democrat pollsters have the opposite opinion. 2010 will be bad if they don't pass a bill, but a bloodbath if they do, considering all the tricks, gimmicks, distortion of the rules they would need to pass a bill.
You must have seen the polls that detail just how opposed to reconciliation the public is? Think how they will react if the WH and dem leadership distort and contort the senate and house rules, including Biden overruling the parliamentarian. How well will that go down with the public?
Maybe and maybe not. There are no good options here. They have spent over a year on this issue and if they FAIL to pass it, November will be even worse for them. If they do pass it they may still face an uphill battle but my calculation is that it will not be as bad a bloodbath as it will be oif they fail.
Kev-
This is not a football game of Dems vs Repubs. This is your nation. Perhaps legislation of such importance should be decided by the people- what a concept. Currently the people do not want this bill. In the fall and in 2012, the will not want the democrats by virture of thier actions today.
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Kev-
This is not a football game of Dems vs Repubs. This is your nation. Perhaps legislation of such importance should be decided by the people- what a concept. Currently the people do not want this bill. In the fall and in 2012, the will not want the democrats by virture of thier actions today.
Sometimes people need to be told what is best for them. Just like what we see in Greece right now. The people are being told that they have to do what is right for the country even if it hurts. That is the case with this. We elected the President and his party to do what is right and if we don't like what they do, we have Novembers for that. But real leaders do not go by polls. They look to the future and think what they want the country to be in 10 or 20 years and not what Rasmussen tells them right now. If they don't want the bill THAT badly then they can vote out the Democrats in 2012 if it passes. But if it FAILS, not only are these people going to vote out the Democrats but the BASE will stay home which will make matters far worse for them.
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The democrat pollsters have the opposite opinion. 2010 will be bad if they don't pass a bill, but a bloodbath if they do, considering all the tricks, gimmicks, distortion of the rules they would need to pass a bill.
You must have seen the polls that detail just how opposed to reconciliation the public is? Think how they will react if the WH and dem leadership distort and contort the senate and house rules, including Biden overruling the parliamentarian. How well will that go down with the public?
It doesn't matter. The Republicans did it all the time and even FIRED the parliamentarian. And they still won until last year. The public doesn't give a hoot about Senate rules. Maybe people that listen to Hannity do but the vast majority of Americans do not listen to Hannity or care about the fillibuster rules of the Senate. They care about the economy, health care, education and terrorism- in that order.
Sometimes people need to be told what is best for them. Just like what we see in Greece right now. The people are being told that they have to do what is right for the country even if it hurts. That is the case with this.
No, that's not the case AT ALL. Greece is cutting spending and entitlement programs because they have unsustainable debt. Obama and the Dems are shoving this country into even greater debt, AGAINST THE WILL OF THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE, to give us an even bigger entitlement program and even more debt even though the debt we have now is, like Greece's, completely unsustainable.
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No, that's not the case AT ALL. Greece is cutting spending and entitlement programs because they have unsustainable debt. Obama and the Dems are shoving this country into even greater debt, AGAINST THE WILL OF THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE, to give us an even bigger entitlement program and even more debt even though the debt we have now is, like Greece's, completely unsustainable.
Right... and they've been so right about Social Security and Medicare.
Note how those are running deficits much, MUCH earlier than the CBO 'estimated.'
Sometimes people need to be told what is best for them. Just like what we see in Greece right now. The people are being told that they have to do what is right for the country even if it hurts. That is the case with this. We elected the President and his party to do what is right and if we don't like what they do, we have Novembers for that. But real leaders do not go by polls. They look to the future and think what they want the country to be in 10 or 20 years and not what Rasmussen tells them right now. If they don't want the bill THAT badly then they can vote out the Democrats in 2012 if it passes. But if it FAILS, not only are these people going to vote out the Democrats but the BASE will stay home which will make matters far worse for them.
The epitome of the liberal mentality. We know what is best for you - so just you sit down and take it America..
The president we elected ran as a moderate but has governed as a radical. The country does not agree with his liberal ideology on the majority of the important issues of today; taxes, spending, deficits and the role the federal government plays in our lives.
The future that obama and the liberals have planned out is NOT what the American people voted for - and you are seeing the truth to that every day.
They oppose his policies on virtually every issue.
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