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View Poll Results: Is voting for the health care bill on a Sunday an "affront to God"?
Yes 14 22.95%
No 46 75.41%
Not sure 1 1.64%
Voters: 61. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-18-2010, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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GEN 2:2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so
on the seventh day he rested from all his work.

3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he
rested from all the work of creating that he had done
10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall
not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant
or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates.
http://www.biblebb.com/files/tniv/SABBATH.TXT


Many Christians dont believe you should work on Sun that is their choice. Doesnt mean you must believe or agree
Which day is the seventh or Sabbath day? I believe there are different beliefs on the matter.
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Old 03-18-2010, 07:20 PM
 
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I'm not religious and I don't believe in God, but another way to look at this vote taking place on a Sunday is: God would be proud. He would be proud of the U.S. for taking steps to take better care of all of its citizens.

This is the problem with believing in God, of course. You can make up whatever you want - good or bad - and ascribe it to God.
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Old 03-18-2010, 07:20 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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The way people use religion to sway political views is sickening.


Religious groups doing it free of any tax burden is more sickening
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Old 03-18-2010, 07:21 PM
 
Location: An absurd world.
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Which day is the seventh or Sabbath day? I believe there are different beliefs on the matter.
I think the fundamentalist Protestants (and all of their offshoots) and Catholics believe the sabbath is Sunday; and Jews and Seventh Day Adventists believe it's Saturday.

I'm not completely sure though.
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Old 03-18-2010, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Beck is a retard. He's a hypocrit. Beck works EVERY SUNDAY! But uses the God card when congress is working for the people.
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Old 03-18-2010, 07:22 PM
 
Location: An absurd world.
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Religious groups doing it free of any tax burden is more sickening
My thoughts exactly.
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Old 03-18-2010, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Actually, the logic of the objection is thus:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..."
Declaration of Independence, 1776
Government doesn't "give" us rights. It protects the rights we received from our Creator.

One of the references used by those who defined what those rights are, was the Bible.

In Genesis 1:26, God says that man shall have dominion over the fish, fowl, cattle, ALL THE EARTH, and every thing upon it.
DOMINION - Generally accepted definition of "dominion" is perfect control in right of ownership. The word implies both title and possession and appears to require a complete retention of control over disposition. -Sovereignty; as the dominion of the seas or over a territory.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed., p.486
So it was generally accepted that each individual, being a beneficiary of the endowment from his Creator, of life, liberty and dominion over his respective piece of dirt, and all that was upon it, and that government was instituted to help secure his rights.

That help was not construed to mean taking his property from him, for the benefit of another. In fact, the government admitted that it wasn't the sovereign.
In America, however, the case is widely different. Our government is founded upon compact. Sovereignty was, and is, in the people.
[ Glass vs The Sloop Betsey, 3 Dall 6 (1794)]

At the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people and they are truly the sovereigns of the country.
Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 Dall. 440, 463

Sovereignty itself is, of course, not subject to law, for it is the author and source of law; but in our system, while sovereign powers are delegated to the agencies of government, sovereignty itself remains with the people, by whom and for whom all government exists and acts.
[Yick Wo vs Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 370 (1886)]

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Ninth Amendment, USCON

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Tenth Amendment, USCON
So before you mock assertions of God given rights, consider what the alternative is.

If you only have "government granted" rights, who decides when you no longer have those rights?

Personally, I prefer having God given rights, that the servant government has sworn an oath to secure.

Oh, drat, I forgot, YOU all surrendered those rights, by consent.
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Old 03-18-2010, 07:23 PM
 
Location: South Fla
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What do you know about what I think...and then again...what do YOU CARE! Unless you start helping pay some bills...MIND YOUR BUSINESS.
Maybe you shouldnt be posting on an open board if you dont want people to comment on your post
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Old 03-18-2010, 07:25 PM
 
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Holy crap when is this Beck jackass going to be irrelevant again?
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Old 03-18-2010, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Originally Posted by jetgraphics View Post
Actually, the logic of the objection is thus:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..."
Declaration of Independence, 1776
Government doesn't "give" us rights. It protects the rights we received from our Creator.

One of the references used by those who defined what those rights are, was the Bible.

In Genesis 1:26, God says that man shall have dominion over the fish, fowl, cattle, ALL THE EARTH, and every thing upon it.
DOMINION - Generally accepted definition of "dominion" is perfect control in right of ownership. The word implies both title and possession and appears to require a complete retention of control over disposition. -Sovereignty; as the dominion of the seas or over a territory.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed., p.486
So it was generally accepted that each individual, being a beneficiary of the endowment from his Creator, of life, liberty and dominion over his respective piece of dirt, and all that was upon it, and that government was instituted to help secure his rights.

That help was not construed to mean taking his property from him, for the benefit of another. In fact, the government admitted that it wasn't the sovereign.
In America, however, the case is widely different. Our government is founded upon compact. Sovereignty was, and is, in the people.
[ Glass vs The Sloop Betsey, 3 Dall 6 (1794)]

At the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people and they are truly the sovereigns of the country.
Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 Dall. 440, 463

Sovereignty itself is, of course, not subject to law, for it is the author and source of law; but in our system, while sovereign powers are delegated to the agencies of government, sovereignty itself remains with the people, by whom and for whom all government exists and acts.
[Yick Wo vs Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 370 (1886)]

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Ninth Amendment, USCON

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Tenth Amendment, USCON
So before you mock assertions of God given rights, consider what the alternative is.

If you only have "government granted" rights, who decides when you no longer have those rights?

Personally, I prefer having God given rights, that the servant government has sworn an oath to secure.

Oh, drat, I forgot, YOU all surrendered those rights, by consent.
Lord....save that for youf church. We are not on here to hear preaching by a bunch of bible thumpers. Those same founders found it necessary to seperate church from state because they knew that there will always be people who bible thump everything.
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