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So the Tea Party Express has finally come to the bastion of American Liberalism, and it's proudest manipulator, excuse me...leader... will be keynoting in about 30 minutes.
All I see is irony. 230 years ago, the actual Tea Party was a act of distrust and dislike against a foreign government, an unfair tax (on tea of all things) and the horrific treatment of the citizens of Boston and Massachusetts Bay.
Of course today we have very different circumstance, something lost on the gullible Tea Partiers.
Someone should tell Sarah Palin the Alaska is in the "other" direction.
Actually the "Tea Party Express" is a GOP PAC. I wonder if the sheeple know that?
Huh? Our tax system which is completely disconnected from any actual liability to the State by the individual is hardly what I'd call "representation". If you are a collectivist, sure, you are being "represented". However, if you believe in individual freedom, there is no "representation" of any kind within the Centralized State.
Huh? Everyone over 18 has a right to vote. That's the representational individual freedom afforded by the Constitution.
Huh? Everyone over 18 has a right to vote. That's the representational individual freedom afforded by the Constitution.
Sure. That is your "representation". You get to pick who will dictate your life, not what they will dictate once elected. Any system represents the system's interest, period. Hopefully, that system's interests agrees with yours, otherwise you are screwed. Not that our system is worse than any other, I would say that originally, it was a great leap forward. However, "representative" government is not, nor will it ever be, anything more than a different form of government force upon the individual.
What we once attempted was a government that served to protect individual freedom, not what we have now which is a government that determines which individual freedoms serve the government. Look at any preferential law passed and wonder what happened to those who are punished to benefit others. How is their individual freedom represented?
What has "representative" government resulted in ultimately? Simply an endless stream of special interest "laws" and nothing more. Arbitrary winners and losers determined by whatever faction was in power at the time that they are written. What that has to do with protecting individual liberty, I have no idea whatsoever. It is a beast of force, a thug, a bully, whether "representative" or not. Whether individuals are "represented" or not in the system is a matter of whether they by chance happen to be protected by those in power. Does it really matter whether a "representative", a majority, or a dictator, imposes its will upon an individual through force? Not really, if you are forced to act against your own will, you have lost individual freedom.
Sure. That is your "representation". You get to pick who will dictate your life, not what they will dictate once elected. Any system represents the system's interest, period. Hopefully, that system's interests agrees with yours, otherwise you are screwed. Not that our system is worse than any other, I would say that originally, it was a great leap forward. However, "representative" government is not, nor will it ever be, anything more than a different form of government force upon the individual.
What we once attempted was a government that served to protect individual freedom, not what we have now which is a government that determines which individual freedoms serve the government. Look at any preferential law passed and wonder what happened to those who are punished to benefit others. How is their individual freedom represented?
What has "representative" government resulted in ultimately? Simply an endless stream of special interest "laws" and nothing more. Arbitrary winners and losers determined by whatever faction was in power at the time that they are written. What that has to do with protecting individual liberty, I have no idea whatsoever. It is a beast of force, a thug, a bully, whether "representative" or not. Whether individuals are "represented" or not in the system is a matter of whether they by chance happen to be protected by those in power. Does it really matter whether a "representative", a majority, or a dictator, imposes its will upon an individual through force? Not really, if you are forced to act against your own will, you have lost individual freedom.
Live and let live.
Drama aside, it has always been this way. There have always been special interests. There has always been pressure on government from these interests.
Do you really not see a difference between our form of government and that of, say, Iran? No one dictates my life other than me, and for 40+ hours per week, my employer. I'm free to tell my employer to take a flying leap if I choose. If you feel under someone's thumb, maybe seek a divorce attorney?
People can't do whatever they want in a civil society. That's just reality. You can't even do what you want under anarchy. There will always be rules and those who impose them. Any other mindset would seem to indicate an immature and/or spoiled attitude.
Drama aside, it has always been this way. There have always been special interests. There has always been pressure on government from these interests.
Do you really not see a difference between our form of government and that of, say, Iran? No one dictates my life other than me, and for 40+ hours per week, my employer. I'm free to tell my employer to take a flying leap if I choose. If you feel under someone's thumb, maybe seek a divorce attorney?
People can't do whatever they want in a civil society. That's just reality. You can't even do what you want under anarchy. There will always be rules and those who impose them. Any other mindset would seem to indicate an immature and/or spoiled attitude.
Drama aside.
Yes, it has always been this way. That is why the State as a conquering, hired, or elected, thug will always be a bad thing for individual liberty.
I see a big difference between our system and others, as I have said that our original premise was a great leap forward in individual freedom. However, the entirety of special interest law that has accumulated has transformed us into something quite unlike its origin. Now it is merely a matter of style not substance to those who are victims of initiations of force by government. We are not a nation of individual freedom anymore, we are a nation of particular freedom. We have all freedoms that the government does not fear. As soon as any freedom is viewed as dangerous to the system, it will be abolished by those who control it.
As to a "civil society", all that people must do is not initiate force upon their fellow man. Voluntary cooperation without the use of force. If a society has to use force to impose its will and keep prisoners and slaves, it is no longer "civil" in any way. Smaller societies that can reach consensus and voluntary cooperation are needed to be "civil". Large societies that must have large portions of their population being victims to those in power at any given time are a tragedy not just to freedom, but to humanity as well.
Agreed, but what I don't understand is why these people think someone is trying to take their guns and religion? Sounds quite paranoid to me.
Obama sewed those seeds when he taunted people who "cling" to religion and guns. People who have favorable views of religion and guns are generally very principled and very strong-willed. Some scrawny dude from Illinois making fun of them only serves to intensify their passions.
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